410: Available Natural Treatments For Cancer And Other Diseases

Marcus Freudenmann & Ashley James


  • No to generalized treatment, yes to personal evaluation
  • Importance of letting go in healing cancer
  • Disease as a motivational guide
  • Four pillars of cancer treatment
  • PEMFT, ozone, hyperthermia to treat cancer and other diseases

In this episode, Marcus Freudenmann shares with us different ways to treat cancer. He explains the importance of wanting to live in treating cancer. He also shares with us that each cancer treatment should be personalized and that generalized treatment doesn’t work for everybody.

[0:00] Ashley James: Welcome to the Learn True Health podcast. I’m your host, Ashley James. This is episode 410. I am so excited to have back on the show, Marcus Freudenmann. I love saying your name. Did I get it right?

[0:00:21] Marcus Freudenmann: Yeah. Pretty close. Freudenmann.

[0:00:24] Ashley James: Pretty close. Freudenmann. Marcus, I loved our first interview episode 147. I really feel that everyone in the world should hear the things you shared. It was so eye-opening to have you on the show. So really listeners, go back and listen to episode 147 when you can. Marcus is a wealth of information. He spent pretty much a decade traveling the world and learning and studying from the top holistic doctors and experts who are getting really good results in curing disease especially cancer. Marcus created a documentary about his experiences. He's been very busy. Since we had you on the show about two years ago you have built up your website trulyheal.com. I know you give us a special link, trulyheal.com/Ashley, that's a-s-h-l-e-y. So trulyheal.com/Ashley is a special link for the listeners.

I'm really excited to learn from you today because of the last two years of your life you have learned even more and you're here to share with us today. So, welcome back on the show.

Photo by National Cancer Institute on Unsplash

[0:01:45] Marcus Freudenmann: Thanks for having me. I'm very excited to be here.

[0:01:48] Ashley James: Absolutely. So, what has happened in the last two years? Where has your focus been professionally? Because I know you're passionate about bringing the truth about healing and putting the power back into the individuals lives so that each and every one of us can learn how to be the healthiest versions of ourselves. You’re very passionate about exposing the truth in the latest science, but really getting into it and exposing the truth even though sometimes the truth might get you in trouble. So, we thank you for risking yourself to expose the truth today, Marcus.

[0:02:31] Marcus Freudenmann: Yeah. Well, the concept is always the same. You look for solutions. Especially with cancer with Lyme disease with all of those diseases. There are so many proclamations, so many cures, so many things that people advertise. We've been following first based on clients recommendation and then on doctor’s recommendation. Many of those treatments and we follow it through with what they do, how they work, what kind of research. That’s been since many years the focus, but it became more and more obvious that we are not only dealing with the ignorance in the conventional treatments, it's also in the alternative. There's so much hype, so much sales pitch in many of the advertisements that it becomes a maze of irritation and confusion and temptation for most patients. That's been something that becomes more and more obvious.

We're living in a world where everybody can advertise pretty much everything and can make claims however they like. That's something that starts to annoy me more and more. I was working with a lot of clients that are broke. They invested money into pretty much everything and nothing worked. It was funny, I had an interview with Dr. Rau in Switzerland when he said, “Marcus, you're asking all the wrong questions. Why do you keep asking about treatments? Treatments are not relevant. Treatments are not something you should focus about. Just focus on what's the cause.” Then I said, “Well, but there's so many.” He said, “Yeah. But that's what we need to find out. If we look at three patients and all three patients having a disease like let's say breast cancer.” He pulled out of his drawer and he has all the different diseases categorized to different groups. He pulled out of a drawer three charts and then he showed me and said, “Look. This client here had corporate stress. She’s never satisfied and happy. Non-stop stress, stress, stress. Not good enough.” You can see that it comes from trauma out of the childhood, resentment, serious problems with parents combined with a bad diet and very high inflammation, leaky gut. On top of that even those performance drugs to keep her active, to keep her alive.

That's one client where you have one treatment protocol, which is very obvious. Then you have another client comes in has breast cancer too but it's triggered by EBV virus, Epstein-Barr virus, combined with mercury and cadmium. Her test levels were off the chart. It was based, first of all on her amalgam fillings, but the second part was based on her hobby. She was painting. We know that painter’s paint, those artistic paints, are full with cadmium. Then she had two root canal fillings. He said, “Look. That's number one. Dental treatments. Pulling out the mercury fillings. Detoxing the body, getting rid of heavy metals and then dealing with the EBV virus, which is promoted dramatically through heavy metals.” So, we know that if you have just an infection or just heavy metal, they don't really cause something like cancer or fibromyalgia or any of that. But if you have both in combination, they become up to 20,000 times more toxic.

Then the third client had deficiencies in vitamin D, selenium, iodine. She was more or less depleted, her whole body, from a very uneducated diet. She was exposed to mold which slows down all detox pathways. As soon as you have a moldy environment and you live in that for a while, all your detox pathways are shut down. Plus she had a CYP1B1, which is a DNA SNP impairment that impaired her detox pathways even more. So, she was building up more and more and more toxins. Based on the deficiencies, it's usually an indication. The body tried to detoxify, try to detoxify and was flushing out everything and that's why she had cancer. He said, “That's an evaluation that we do. So one needs massive support in nutrition and detoxification. The other one needs infectious disease and heavy metal treatment. The other one needs some psychologist to help with the stress and trauma in all her past life so that the self-loathing changes, which then changes dietary intake.”

That's where I found the whole industry whether that's most of the cancer clinics, most of the marketing and advertising is lacking. People do not focus on why they have cancer. They focus on what can I do to kill it? I get hundreds of emails every day. I try to answer them every morning. Sometimes I have a bit of a backlog. It's quite intense. It's always like, “What kills my cancer? How can I get rid of my cancer? How can I fight?”

We've been instilled with an attitude of fighting a disease, which is actually just a warning sign showing us you are moving in the wrong direction. You ignore certain things that would be important. Because it's so individualized, it's really difficult to find out for yourself what are the contributing factors. That's mainly the work we've been so passionate about. To develop a program that really covers all aspects of that disease.

[0:08:49] Ashley James: So, the three cases that the doctor pulled out of his drawer, all three were people with cancer?

[0:08:57] Marcus Freudenmann: Breast cancer, yes.

[0:08:58] Ashley James: All people with breast cancer. So, specifically. So, if those three women were to have gone to some hospital in the United States, oncology ward. Pretty much any hospital in the United States, in the oncology ward to an oncologist they would be given almost an identical treatment. Nowadays, the oncologist will do some testing to see if it's hormone-related and they might suppress the hormones. Their methodology is either you do chemo and then surgery and then radiation or you do surgery and then chemo and then radiation. Then on top of that, you might do some hormone suppression drugs. That's basically the cookie cutter.

[0:09:57] Marcus Freudenmann: Yeah. Standard protocol.

[0:09:58] Ashley James: Standard protocol. That is hailed to be the most advanced and has a 2% chance of causing leukemia, has a very poor outcome if you want to live longer than five years. There are women who survived breast cancer, absolutely. There are many who don't. I just lost my best friend, one of my best friends to her battle with cancer in December. She did the natural holistic method for eight months. She ran out of money and then decided to do chemo. They had her on chemo and radiation for two years. The day that she was in the hospital in a coma about to die her oncologist called her husband and said, “When is she coming in for her next chemo session?” He downplayed how bad she was. Her liver had been failing. The oncologist kept pushing them to come in and come in. Even the oncology nurses were saying that the type of chemo they had her on was known for killing patients before the cancer does.

So, I watched her deteriorate very quickly. The question remains in my mind, if she had stuck with just natural methods would she have just lived longer than if she had gone the conventional route? She suffered, the last two years of her life was pure suffering. Whereas, I know women who have gone through chemo and came out the other end and that was ten years ago. They're totally happy and they're healthy and they're fine. The cookie cutter for cancer, the cut, burn and poison, does not take into account what you said. It just focuses on the tip of the iceberg.

The doctor that you mentioned he holds these three files in his hand and paints the picture of the root cause of their cancer coming from three totally different places. If you had taken those three women and put them through cut, burn and poison, the first one still would have had the stress, still would have had the poor diet and the stress incredibly lowers the immune system. She might not have survived. She might have gotten an infection. She might not have even survived the surgery. The second one had Epstein-Barr virus and heavy metals so she was immunocompromised. So, no matter what cut, burn and poison you do she would still have been immunocompromised. The third –

[0:12:37] Marcus Freudenmann: She would have been, she would have probably died on the first round of chemotherapy because if your detox pathways don't work, then chemotherapy is recycle, recycle, recycle. That's the people where we see even a small treatment like vaccination would be very impactful. That's the children that become autistic. People who have their detox pathways impaired and have severe problems in that concern or have been born into an environment where mold was already established in the mother, they have no detox. Then giving a drug, then giving chemo or any kind of harsh chemical substance just recycles, recycles and it distributes more and more into the body and poisons the body.

So, it's always based on–and sometimes you wonder where you hear things. I was at the seminar and it was a business seminar. The speaker said very clearly, “If you don't know where you are at you cannot make a plan to health.” I was like, “What does that mean?” He said, “Take the America map and then you don't know where you are but you know you want to go to Chicago. If you don't have a location from where to start you could drive into the wrong direction because you need to know first your personal location.” It made kind of sense. I think it's the same thing with health.

We invest into everything in treatments without investing into the investigation on what causes my problem? What is the main reason? I hear that a hundred times from patients that say, “Marcus, look. That's $250 for a test. Well, I could buy a treatment or supplements for that.” That's something that can often then go astray with no effect, no results. You just said it, she was first eight months on alternative treatments. Again, I've seen people that were — a friend of mine, personal experience wherein a very very dear friend. First client then friend then very good friend and then you accompany them all the way. He was spending almost 1 million dollars going from clinic to clinic to here to there trying out buying this buying that spending so much money. Towards the end I said, “Wayne, look. Why don't we just sit down and work out all the causes and really focus on that.” Unfortunately at that stage he was already very weakened. We got through. We did all the tests, which are sometimes quite simple. Gut biome, toxicity test, infectious disease test, deficiency test. Not the standard one that is done in the clinic where you just check in serum, full blood test of all the minerals. We did that and his results were shocking.

He said, “How can doctors tell me for two years that my blood is absolutely perfect, that I'm absolutely fine and then I get the full blood test back and it shows I'm deficient in pretty much everything.” So, there is difference in test. There is difference in evaluations. So, that became actually our main focus in finding the real best tools to determine our location, GPS, knowing exactly where I'm at and what my situation is so that I have a roadmap towards health. That has proven to be extraordinary. So many patients could drop certain treatments. The second one with the amalgam fillings and root canals, this is something everybody talks about. If you have cancer you need to check your teeth and many people start treating the teeth but you check whether you have that output of thimerosal from your teeth. Whether your root canals produce heavy loads of bacteria.

There is so many possibilities to test instead of just pulling our teeth spending $20,000 with a dentist. You could invest the money more wisely if you know that that's not related to your cancer. So, that's where I believe my job and my task is. To help people to find what is best suited for them.

[0:17:19] Ashley James: I think it'd be really interesting if you took all of your emails, of course removing personal information like names, but if you took all your emails and all your correspondence with people asking questions and compiled it into a book or some kind of articles and websites. Something that people could search because you're probably answering the same question over and over in different ways. You've probably given so many really interesting and well-thought-out answers that I think it would be worthy of publishing. So, I'm just put I'm just putting it out there.

[0:18:02] Marcus Freudenmann: I thought about the idea and put it on the website. We had for while Q&A questions. I categorized them in different groups. It was before we did the transformation and change to the new website. You know what, it's very hard to explain but people need that personal contact. If it fits for that person that might be okay, but I'm still special. Yes, we are all special. It's like finding it for myself. We offer a service on the website which is an evaluation for you. It's only $250. It goes through 280 questions. It really covers so much ground. It gives you afterward an evaluation on which areas are most important to look at. It creates a timeline. It's a really powerful program. We had thousands of people go through that. It's actually one of our biggest turning points because it's personalized. It's not what the doctors do. It's not what alternative doctors do, cookie-cutter. It actually really takes in account your personality, your upbringing, your birth, your parents’ diseases, your inherited diseases, your inherited environment, your inherited habits. It goes through all the body systems. How you digest? How does your poo look like? How your environment at home is? What kind of environment?

We give a lot of tips in that process on how to test for heavy metals, for EMF and all those things and formaldehyde so that it becomes more or less already a full education program parallel to giving you that evaluation in the end. That has been a huge breakthrough.

[0:20:01] Ashley James: Yeah. When did you create that?

[0:20:03] Marcus Freudenmann: Probably in the last two years.

[0:20:07] Ashley James: I mean, that's after over a decade of interviewing and working closely with all these doctors from around the world. What I like about, you have a talent for seeking out doctors who are getting real results and then figuring out the exact root. Like getting to the root of it and figuring out what the driver is. What doesn't work all the time but what does work all the time. You just have this way of cutting through so much misinformation and so many half-truths and really getting exactly what the science is saying, clinically what the results are saying works. I like that you always are focusing on the root cause. What is causing? What is the environment of the body that created the disease? How do we support the environment to be an environment to the body that does not create disease?

[0:21:09] Marcus Freudenmann: Yeah. Look, the main problem that we have with cancer is that it's not just that it's caused by carcinogens. We know that. We consume hundreds of them every day. So, it's not just the carcinogen that causes the problem, it's also what stops my immune system from actually dealing with the disease. Because if you have 50 people and they all have cancer cells in their body, we produce, you and me and everybody, produces every day hundreds and thousands of cancer cells, but our immune system gobbles them up and get eliminates them and stops them from growing. As we get older, our system slows down our immune system doesn't work anymore, our oxygen levels go down. There's so many different reasons for cancer then to start growing.

The problem today is that it's 27-year-old mothers. That's where my biggest passion comes from. If somebody is 80 and 90 and they develop cancer, well, we all have to die of something so I'm not too worried about that. We had a long life. If somebody comes just having two little babies and then being diagnosed with cancer and trying to survive, it's a jungle of misinformation. It's so much marketing and advertising that people get lost in so many different beliefs. “Just drink ASEA water. Do this. Do that. Do this. Do that. Here is another remedy, $250 only.” It's always told with those miracle stories. “My cousin survived. She just had one cup of that and all her cancers disappeared.”

I follow it through. I was at a workshop invited at one of those cancer conferences as a speaker. There were about 200 cancer patients in the room mixed with professionals. I asked, “Who of you has tried,” and I just went through lateral GcMAF. Many of those treatments that are promoted as a cure and it didn't work. Almost the whole group went up, all hands went up. Then I asked, “Who has tried and where did it work? Who has seen it witness themselves?” Only the stallholders who put their hands up. It was kind of embarrassing and I pointed that out, which I told you stepping up to the truth and doing things slightly different and exposing the marketing behind was one of my insights that I had. It was so obvious. There was one person who had significant results from one of the treatments. When we follow through, I always taken, if anybody in the audience has such a case where one particular treatment really did a massive transformation changed and it helped them to reverse the cancer, please contact me on the website: trulyheal.com/Ashley. You will find up on top a little contact button. Send it to me and contact me. I'm always searching for those treatments which have significant results where we can prove that it actually had some help.

It was shocking how many people came afterward to me and said, “Marcus, thanks for actually speaking up because there is two problems. One is it's me. It works for everybody else but it doesn't work for me. Maybe I'm not worthy of living.” You have no clue how much guilt and shame and whatever is associated with the diagnosis of cancer. It's such a significant emotional burden already. Then you get told, “It works for everybody else. You must have done a mistake,” or “Only in your case it doesn't work.” That's number one problem. So, people feel guilty about having no results.

The second part is, nobody is really brave enough to say, “Look, it didn't work for me. It didn't work for my husband. It didn't work for the other friends. It's actually a fraud.” Because they always think maybe it's just for them or their case is different. That's why I told you that generalized answer is what people don't need. They really need a personal evaluation, what is important for them. I see that at workshops, I see that in seminars and I see that in my emails. Even if I have answered that question in five videos already, it's like in my case thank you. It's true. We’re all special. We're all individuals. We all have our own needs so that's why we provide that service.

[0:26:10] Ashley James: You mentioned the guilt and the shame of the cancer treatment not working. You could apply that to either the standard oncology chemo radiation surgery, whatever form of chemo, right? Your cancer didn't respond to this or whatever. We're going to have to do another round. We're going to try this chemo now or we're going to do another thing of radiation because your cancer is spreading or your cancer is doing this, your cancer is doing that.

[0:26:42] Marcus Freudenmann: Yeah. Just take dietary recommendation. Ketogenic diet cures cancer. Just go on to a ketogenic diet. It works for about 7%. The rest the cancer is so clever, so intelligent, so incredibly adaptive that if you change to a ketogenic diet and you do it well, not just half-hearted a little bit with ketone bodies, you do it properly it still thrives because it can start to convert even fat metabolism into energy. So, I've had people that change to a ketogenic diet and the cancer grew faster. So, and the same it's vegan and then it's vegetarian and then it's the Gerson. We all have those beliefs. Most of it is from hearsay not from personal experience. You see all those famous people who go through and they do, Jessica Ainscough for example, she did a fantastic promotion of the Gerson diet and was doing so extremely well. She was prognosed five years and she died after four years. After she passed away, all of her books, all of her website, all of her promotions were taken down and disappeared from the web, from the publisher because they didn't want to interrupt the process of people believing in Gerson.

So, it's like we sell hope, we don't sell results we sell hope. That's where I believe we're wrong because there is a diet for everybody but we need to find out which one. If you have kidney problem, you need to know that you have to really be low on proteins even vegetarian proteins because your kidney is the conversion the transformation is difficult. If you have liver problems or gall bladder problems in fat metabolism or your pancreas doesn't produce enough lipase and you have a too fat diet with the ketogenic diet, this is really adverse and causes massive problems. If you have leaky gut and high inflammation in your gut and you go onto a raw diet, so many things that can just be completely adverse because we follow hearsay mainstream. Follow the followers instead of checking out properly what is important or relevant for you.

[0:29:12] Ashley James: So, the ketogenic diet, 7% of the time is exactly what that person needed and helps to kill the cancer because it starves the cancer, but the rest of the time, the cancer adapts or that it isn't the kind of cancer that that dies off if you starve it of glucose. I like that you point out that the raw diet, very healthy for some people. Just the most healthiest thing in the world for some people. Other people it could be poison, poison because their gut isn't capable of handling it. We have to focus on healing the gut, healing the microbiome. Others might eat a high-protein vegetarian diet or Atkins diet and they're destroying their kidneys or their liver. It all depends on the person's chemistry. That's why we can use food as medicine but there's not one diet for everyone.

[0:30:13] Marcus Freudenmann: Exactly.

[0:30:14] Ashley James: There are studies that show that higher meat consumption has a higher cases of cancer than lower meat consumption. Across the board, they see that in preventing cancer there are ways to eat that can complement the body in not creating cancer. I know your focus has been on helping people cure it. I definitely want you to talk about prevention.

[0:30:42] Marcus Freudenmann: Can I just go into that very short?

[0:30:44] Ashley James: Yes. I do.

[0:30:45] Marcus Freudenmann: When they talk about meat it's also what kind of meat, where does it come from, has it been grain-fed, is it hormone-laden because it's just from a normal butcher? There's no discrimination done. Do I eat just lean meat which has no fat which is not really healthy for the body? There's pro-inflammatory meats and there is very healthy meats. If you eat liver from an organic butcher. Differentiations. If I go to McDonald's that’s dog food. Not even worthy of being dog food. That's the meat they calculate in those studies. So, always cautious. We have to really step back not just superficially but completely and look at what we are looking at. Many of the studies are sponsored. Many of the studies are manipulated. They take into account very very few of the reasons that we actually are interested in. That's why just saying meat is bad is completely reversing the Mediterranean diet, which is actually really healthy. It includes some fish, it includes some healthy meats but we don't take the garbage, we eat quality.

So, it's something that we found very important that we don't judge too easy and too fast and are too manipulated by what people want us to believe.

[0:32:14] Ashley James: The most important thing is to know where you are, know where you stand. Like you said, you can't get to Chicago if you don't know where you are. You can't get to health if you don't know what your body actually needs right now. Because if you have heavy metals and mold exposure versus you have nutrient deficiencies and you have a DNA SNP for preventing you from fully detoxifying versus you have a leaky gut or you have an autoimmune and leaky gut and you have food sensitivities. There's not one diet that's going to fix everything. We have to shift our mindset around food and really see it as medicine. I could go to a drugstore and there's some medicine that would help me and there's some medicine that would hurt me, right? If I injected myself with insulin it would not be healthy for me, but you inject a type 1 diabetic with insulin at the right time and it is a very healthy thing for them. Yet we're using food just like we're going to a drug store and just randomly picking a drug and eating it and taking it.

[0:33:31] Marcus Freudenmann: Even worse.

[0:33:31] Ashley James: Right.

[0:33:32] Marcus Freudenmann: We use it as a religion.

[0:33:36] Ashley James: Yeah. You're threatening some people's belief systems because there are some people who would really heal their body on a raw vegan diet versus some people would really heal their body on a ketogenic diet versus some people really heal their body on a Mediterranean diet. We have to let go of dogma and look at what does my body need right now? Because my body in five years might need this nutrient but right now my body needs this nutrient and this medicine. So, we have to look at that every meal, three meals a day is actually like three doses of medicine.

Now, you talked about the shame and the guilt that patients feel as their cancer treatments are failing them. Whether it's the traditional cancer treatment or whether it's any kind of holistic cancer treatment or cancer diet. Whatever they're doing. Many people feel shame like their body is failing them and they're somehow bad and wrong because it's supposed to work for people. So, it's supposed to work so if it's not working for them then they're the ones left feeling shame and guilt and somehow less than. That's not the case at all. It’s that these therapies are not a cookie-cutter for everyone. That each individual is really very specific that we have to look at exactly what's going on with their DNA. with their nutrient deficiencies, with their heavy metal load, with their exposures to certain environmental toxins like mold, with their stress levels, with their emotional health, with their diet overall, with their viral load, which organs are weak, which organs need support and the list goes on and on.

So, you can't just do a cookie-cutter. You bring up this point of feeling guilt or shame because the body's failing them. This reminds me of at least two-thirds of the adult population has dieted at some point in their life. Diets have failed them but they don't blame the diet, they blame themselves. “I did Atkins and I wasn't strong enough. I couldn't resist the carbs and now I'm eating carbs again I gained all the weight back and more.” Well, no. It was the diet that failed them because the diet wasn't healthy for their body and yet they're taking on guilt and shame. Shame depletes our magnesium stores. Shame causes stress levels and depletes our nutrients. So, shame is an emotion that is moving towards creating an environment in the body that will sustain cancer. We have to look at that our emotions will play a great role in healing us or in creating an environment for disease. I feel that there's a great amount of shame that we all feel when we go to do something healthy for ourselves and it backfires. We say to ourselves, “Oh, look. That must be my fault because it's supposed to work all the time.” Because we've been marketed to.

So, I like that you're pointing out that there so there's so much BS out there and that it's not your fault.

[0:37:10] Marcus Freudenmann: Let me just point out one of the other points that really significantly made a huge change in our approach. When you go to so many clinics, you will find that many of them have specialties. Many of them have a main focus. It always depends on what the doctor experienced. So, in Germany we found several clinics that focus on the mind. Whether that's radical forgiveness or the breakthrough experience or whatever they use as a means to help clients. Different types of meditation, breathing techniques, which is by the way something would like to speak about because we always say what makes the biggest impact. It's definitely oxygenation of the body as one of our hooks that we use.

Let me just continue the train of thought first. Every single clinic has certain specialties. In the beginning I made little mind maps. I call it my flower power map because it had those little colorful flowers and it looked really pretty. Then we added more and more. Every doctor we spoke with and showed the map added their components. It just became a maze of different research and deficiencies and everything and we categorized. What I found is that very few clinics really solve or help the clients solve that mental and emotional problem of guilt, of shame, of feeling worthy, of feeling too self-important or too driven. Many, “I beat this cancer.” It's like they have to prove something instead of letting go, relaxing and not being the star of the whole thing. It can go in both directions. Not only that you feel intimidated, you can actually feel empowered by it. You have something to talk about. You become self-important.

So many people write books and start blogging and share their experience and put so much pressure on their bodies and mind and stress levels to prove that they can do it. Then being defeated halfway through the program. So, we need to learn what actually the lesson is for everyone. I deal with their mindset and what cancer actually tries to show them. If stress is a big factor of work stress. I had one friend. I tell the story shortly in between. He was diagnosed with terminal cancer. The doctor said, “You know, we don't even need to do chemo. It's about two months, three months maximum that you'll be here. Just get your affairs in order. Go home.” He had 27 little tumors and two or three big ones in his body spread out. When he first was diagnosed.

He came to me and said, “Marcus, do you see any chance?” I said, “Look, the only chance I see is letting go. Letting go of everything that holds you in a stressful situation. Letting go of your addictions. Letting go of whatever. What is your dream? What do you really would like to do before you pass away? Because we all have to. So just see that you have a chance now to live your dream.” He said, “I would like to go on a walkabout.” I said, “How can that be a dream? Flies in the Australian desert. That's not something you dream about. He said, “Yeah. I saw a movie so many years ago and it just kept with me. It's been my dream.” I said, “Yeah. Watch out what you wish for it might come true.” He started his walkabout. He left his penthouse apartment, his Porsche, his mobile phone, cell phones, business, everything. Just put a backpack on and started his walkabout.

I lost track. No contact anymore. He had no mobile phone. Half a year later he reported back, “Marcus, I'm feeling better than ever before. I'm now close to Uluru. I'm having this a camp here. I live with Aborigines. It's absolutely incredible. One and a half years later I heard next time from him. He was in Perth and he was just cleared, cleared of cancer. No more indication of cancer. His scan came back as neutral. He didn't eat a healthy diet. He most was fasting. If he ate, those little backcountry stores, they don't have anything healthy. Canned food, no vegetables, no nothing. You don't get that in the desert. He was living tribal. He was living off the land but he was exercising, moving, no stress levels, sitting around the campfire at night. He said, “I don't ever want to go back to my life as it was before.” He is still cancer-free. He is still teaching people how to step out of the box. He is phenomenal. He lives north of Perth and really the most isolated parts of the world in tribal communities. He is doing fantastic.

So, it's not the diet. It's not the remedy. It's not the treatment that can sometimes change. It's letting go of that which makes us sick. It can be different from everybody to the next. That's what we try to find out. What are the things? They can be mindsets, they can be resentment to the past and anger issues with the parents. You know how I learned that? I was running a workshop that was called loving cancer. It was like finding the blessings out of everything we see as soon as we get diagnosed. Things that we change. We learn more about our body. We become more body-conscious. We hear symptoms and signs a lot faster. We change our friends and community around us. All those who drain us with energy and really make our life difficult, we learn to isolate. We learn to say no to certain things. We do not comply all the time. A lot of women, housewives that get diagnosed, all of a sudden realized that they have demands and require time as well.

There's so many things. Because we did it in a group setting with 20 people, you had all of a sudden insights and other people had that illumination, that breakthrough and they felt the blessings. Then the whole room said, “Oh wow. Yeah. That's definitely true. That changed for me too.” So, it was like a build-up of gratitude that cancer brought into their lives. That was so amazing. One of the biggest factors that we always realized is that as soon as you see your cancer not as a curse, not as something to be killed, not as something to be eradicated by all means, but is something that helps you to come back to who you truly are, to your personality, to your needs, to actually having an ego and saying no or I choose this over this and not just complying because everybody else does. That was one of the biggest healing factors that I witnessed in so many people. As soon as they do, as soon as they listen to those things, they change. That's why we built that into our program as well. It's probably, in my opinion, one of the strongest factors in getting well.

[0:44:55] Ashley James: What you teach, we could all use. We don't have to wait to get cancer. I'm just imagining someone who has type 2 diabetes. You could apply everything you just said. Your disease is not a curse. Shift your mindsets. Instead of a curse, make it be a lesson to teach you how to listen to your body and how to come back to who you truly are. Shifting your lifestyle, your food. Now you're moving your body in a way that brings you joy. Now you're decreasing your stress. Even getting enough sleep affects blood sugar. Someone without diabetes doesn't notice that when they go to bed at 1:00 in the morning versus 9:00 at night. That the next day, even a normal person, their blood sugar is less in balance if they got fewer hours of sleep and they're more hungry. People who go to bed later are hungrier the next day. Their blood sugar's out of balance. They're consuming more calories through the day than those who, like you said, have a bit of that ego to enforce your boundaries, tell your family I'm going to bed at 9:00. “You can have me till 9:00 but after 9:00 is my time. I'm taking care of myself. You need to be quiet, keep the house quiet because I'm going to bed. I'm going to lie in bed and read a book and then I'm going to fall asleep by 10:00.” The next day you wake up naturally when your body wants to wake up instead of to an alarm clock because you've had enough sleep. You notice the next day your blood sugar's more in balance, that you're less hungry, that maybe you're able to do a little bit of fasting like intermittent fasting. That you're going to get up and move your body in a way that brings you joy because you're listening to your body. Every day you're creating an environment because you're using your disease instead of a life sentence. You're using it as a motivation to help you-

[0:47:03] Marcus Freudenmann: Motivational guide. Exactly.

[0:47:05] Ashley James: Yes. Yeah. I love it.

[0:47:09] Marcus Freudenmann: Yes. I do too. It's been my saving grace. You have to be rich. You have to have this car. You have to have whatever. When I have that I'll be happy, which unfortunately never ever happens. But we put ourselves under so much pressure instead of just really enjoying the moment, enjoying what we have right now. So, there's so many lessons in cancer that is a healing factor. It's actually healing not only us because let's face it, if you're diagnosed the whole family around you or your friends are influenced by it. With using a disease as a motivational guide, it has so many advantages because we can relax into listening. I think that's one of the things we seldom do, listening to what our body tells us, what our environment tells us and become an observer. Stepping outside of our active phase into our passive phase. Stepping back and looking at everything. That's been one of the big things that we found.

What I would like to mention very short because a lot of people always say, “Marcus, you just told me that all those treatments don't work. That the old pathways don't work. It's actually quite doomsday philosophy. So, what are the solutions that actually do work?” I really would like to focus on some of those because it's not the treatment that is relevant, it's the resolving of the problem. So, if let's say we look at the four main reasons to have cancer or most degenerative diseases. It's infections that we need to deal with. There is latent infections. There is infections that we treated with antibiotics but they've never been cured out. They’re still there. Antibiotics just strip the membrane of the bacterium and therefore it's still there. It just doesn't interact with the world but it's still, as I say, pees and poos. It eats up resources. So, infections even if they are latent can be very very dangerous. Then viral infections don't go away from use of antibiotics so we never ever get rid of them if our immune system isn't on top. So, dealing with infections is really crucial.

Then we need to look at toxicity. Toxicity is rampant today in so many different forms, whether that's plastic and petrochemical toxicity that stops many of the body functions that we need. It impairs our DNA. We have carcinogens, we have a teratogens, we have mutagens that don't work on us they work on the next generation. So, all the chemical processes we need to look at. Then we have the toxicity of EMF and stress that many people aren't aware of. So, looking at all of those factors is, in my opinion, really crucial. Let's face it, one of the most important rooms that everybody needs to detoxify and clear is their bedroom. It's almost half of the life that we spend in that bedroom. So, having that contaminant-free, rejuvenating, energizing is really crucial.

Then we look at deficiencies. So, that's the main three: infections, toxicity and deficiencies. Just those three taken together can make it or break it. Deficiencies, again I said, it's very important to know how your body works, how your liver detox pathways work, how your digestive system works, how the liver and kidney system works so that we see how our body can deal with our environment. If I have problems with proteins, reducing them. That just influences the diet. That influences what we are supposed to eat. It influences how we break down those nutrients in the gut. Do we have enough HCL? Do we drink too much alkaline water and therefore dilute HCL? There's so many little factors that we should look at in regards to deficiencies because replenishing with food certainly the best. But then you live in Australia where there is no zinc and selenium in the ground. You can eat as many vegetables as you like, you don't get any. So, supplementation is crucial. All of those factors, those three physical as I call them. Then we look at stress. Stress again in so many different areas. Do we have relationship stress, financial stress, work stress, physical stress?

There's people that are lean and slim and obviously seem to eat the right thing and they do tons of exercise. They actually destroy the body with two single-sided or too fanatic sport. We have so many young people today that they lack so much cholesterol. They are so burned out at the age of 20-25 already just to have that ideal body, just to be slim, just to be beautiful. They're killing their whole future and killing their ability to have children and produce osteoporosis at early stage. So, it's not just that fat ones that get sick, it's the thin ones. I have many that because of their fanatic diets and extreme sports cause problems.

So, looking at those factors in regards to stress, in regards to deficiencies, toxicity and infections, that is what we focus on. When your audience is listening to the program trulyheal.com/Ashley, they come to a training program where we cover in six videos all of those factors that are important to look at. I think, of all the videos that I ever did, 590 on YouTube and many more, they are the most helpful. We have hundreds of people giving feedback that they finally understood what to look out for. Then according to that, we can find very specific the treatment. Then the treatment works because I don't just do something because everybody else does it. I do it because my body really needs it. The testing is sometimes really inexpensive, really simple but it gives you a head start by knowing where you are at navigating towards Chicago let's stay with our example. Chicago being pure health is not really a good example.

[0:54:17] Ashley James: Deep dish pizza. Chicago pizza. I want to drive to Loma Linda California.

[0:54:27] Marcus Freudenmann: Okay. Let’s take that one as a navigation.

[0:54:29] Ashley James: Right. Right. You bring up infection being one of the pillars that we need to address, 100% of the adult population, in that case then, has sort of latent viruses and bacteria, that you say, has the membrane’s been stripped with the bacteria. The guts of the bacteria are still pooping inside our body. So, there's viruses, there's bacteria. We also have yeast, fungus, and amoeba, parasites.

[0:55:05] Marcus Freudenmann: Fungi, mold, yeast, amoeba. Yeah.

[0:55:11] Ashley James: I'm amazed at, I guess, ignorance or hubris of all of us in North America because we assume that we live in such clean houses, we have access to clean water and clean food. That we assume that we don't have parasites. It is just not in the case. This mentality has made us totally disconnected from the medicine that our ancestors would take on a regular basis. The herbs that they would incorporate on a regular basis to deworm, to kill the amoeba.

If you go to India and look at their medicine, they're drinking and I was just telling you before we started recording that I love drinking moon tea, which is a concoction of herbs that are gentle, antimicrobial, anti-parasitic herbs. Also wonderful in decreasing inflammation and supporting the nervous system and supporting digestive health. It's called moon tea.

My friend Naomi and I just actually filmed making this tea and teaching our members. We do a membership where we teach how to cook real food so you're eating clean food that is delicious and healthy. We just made this concoction. So, I'm kind of addicted to it because I feel so good drinking it. Also remembering that our ancestors used to take herbs all the time in order to clean out the body of these parasites. Most of us are walking around just Petri dishes with a high viral load.

[0:56:58] Marcus Freudenmann: You just think about the sugar that they use, which explodes everything. It explodes the bacterial overgrowth and viral overgrowth. There's two major. I totally agree with you with all the herbs. It's a bit of a science to know what works, but there's also so much information. There is two major treatments that have been known throughout mankind that reduce infectious load dramatically. Both are related to body core temperature, body temperature. One is ice bath. That really extreme cold environment to get your system oxygenated, to get your system alkaline combined with breathing. The other one is hyperthermia which is really fever therapy. Children get an infection. What do they get? They get any kind of flu or virus or bacteria, their body goes into a strong fever response. The fever then flags, first of all until, oh God now conversion again. We need to figure that one out. It's 39 at 39 temperature Celsius, which is you can do that while I talk. 39 Celsius is how many Fahrenheit? That would be the temperature that flags all of your pathogens: virus, bacteria, fungi, mold with heat shock proteins. I call that their sprout green hair. Green hair would be a visible sign for the immune system. Oh, this is somebody that shouldn't be in my body.

Then they start attacking those proteins and those pathogens in the body that have green hair. That's a very very powerful system at the temperature of 39.5, which is just shortly below 40. Many of the cancer cells, many of the pathogens actually die off. Lyme disease dies off, hepatitis C dies off at 39.8. So, if we have a strong fever and we lay in bed sweating and having that strong fever, that's when our body officially cleanses from all those infections. We sweat and we put it out. Our blood vessels are expanded. We transport millions of white blood cells directly out of the bone marrow into the bloodstream.

So, in Germany when you go to all of the clinics that deal with infectious diseases and Lyme disease, they all do hyperthermia treatment even in addition to all the herbs, in addition to chemicals of antibiotics. They use that to keep the immune system strong, to produce many many more white blood cells and there is plenty of research. That fever therapy often has shown a complete reversal or shrinkage of cancer cells because they break down just in the same way as pathogens do. So, fever therapy is one of the treatments that we really love. I do it once a week. I'm like you addicted to your tea. I’m addicted to hyperthermia. It's kind of a weird thing because it's a tough treatment. Once you feel afterward your energy levels, you feel how your mind clears up.

See all of those pathogens produce neurotoxins. They poop and pee as we call. Those neurotoxins, they play out the mind, they make you tired. You create a huge burden on to your liver, on to your detox system. So, it's like the more I have whether that's root canal filled bacteria or whether that's in the jaw from cavitations or they’re that's in my joints and elbows and knees or it's in organs. All of those, especially in the gut, all of those bacteria produce neurotoxins. So, if I kill off many of them I go through that stage. That's why fever tear therapy makes you sleep a lot, makes you tired, makes you really it's a tough progress but you come out so cleansed and so bell-clear with your mind that it can't be explained or compared with any other treatment.

So, I really encourage people to look at hyperthermia as a treatment, as a general treatment because it also detoxifies heavy metals, it detoxifies plastic toxicity. It's an internal and external detoxification through the skin and through the blood. If you do a hyperthermia, 3-4 days afterward your poo smells. It’s not nice but you realize what comes out. It also is anti-parasitic. It's definitely the most proven and the most effective treatment of all. We have several clinics when I say to them, “Why don't you do clay bath? Why don't you do a zeolite? They all go like, “Because we don't need it. We do once a week hyperthermia and that's more than sufficient for any problem that we have from toxicity to infections to cancer growth to everything.

[1:02:40] Ashley James: So, you mention that 39.8 Celsius is high enough for Lyme disease. That's 103.64 Fahrenheit. So, if someone did hyperthermia to 104, which most people listening, about 104 fever it's not unthinkable. I recently had a guest on the show. She's a PhD in homeopathy her name's Cilla Whatcott. She's been on the show a few times because she specializes in homeoprophylaxis. The last time she came on the show she was sharing about her three-part docuseries. She actually produced three 90-minute documentaries so there are three movies. It was all about the immune system. It was sort of focusing on what you could do instead of vaccines. It was kind of her, “Here's the immune system. Here's what it does. Here's what you can do to support it.” She actually, while she was filming, developed cancer.

So, it took her a completely different turn. So, the third movie, she actually threw out. The third movie was almost done, she threw it out. She started filming again. The third movie is her journey to heal her cancer. Of course she did 100% unconventional treatment meaning she didn't do the cut, burn. She did end up getting surgery after she did all the natural stuff. She chose to remove her breast, but she did not go for chemo or radiation. Instead, she did many different things but one of them was hyperthermia, which she swore by. That it played a huge role in her healing.

So, that was my first real-time talking to someone who'd ever experienced hyperthermia. I’ve had fever before as a kid, remembering having 104 fever as a kid. I remember waking up the next day totally fine like just boom. My body killed it. So many questions come to mind. Is this safe? Is this a safe therapy for everyone? Are there some people for whom this would be dangerous? You mention DNA SNPs, are there people who hyperthermia would not be a good therapy for because their body wouldn't be able to handle the toxic load after the die-off, for example.

[1:05:22] Marcus Freudenmann: I would say the only real handicap that we have is breast implants. It's a contraindication because due to the heat the silicon, it releases so many toxins into the body. So, if they have a client with breast implants in Germany, they put specially created gel poultices over the top to cool the breast so that they are not impacted. You can do that at home with cold towels and everything. It is something that we call a contraindication. The second thing is if somebody has severe heart problems. Let's say it's like climbing up a mountain. You get out of breath. It's intense. Pulse increase so you push so much blood through your system that it is exhausting. That's why heart problems and breast implants are the only two contraindications that there are.

If people follow the link trulyheal.com/Ashley and you go up, just above the video there is a button that's called treatments. You just scroll down to hyperthermia. You click that button. First of all, there is a video that explains all of those treatments and why we recommend them and the research. Then if you click on hyperthermia, it takes you to the hyperthermia academy. We have a list to download with all the contraindications and side-effects that can come from the treatment plus a massive checklist. What to do, how to do it safely so that you can go really to prepare it, how to prepare yourself, how to do your breathing, everything. So as you go through the treatment that you don't miss any of those steps.

It is a medical treatment, which is used and performed in all European, Russian, Romanian, Austria, Switzerland countries as a standard of care.

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[1:07:29] Ashley James: Really? Standard of care? Sorry. You’re kind of blowing my mind here. This is just in clinics, totally accepted.

[1:07:40] Marcus Freudenmann: It’s used in university clinics.

[1:07:41] Ashley James: University clinics. Totally accepted.

[1:07:45] Marcus Freudenmann: It's called the fourth pillar of cancer treatments because in Germany, as soon as cancer patients go down in white blood cell count, chemotherapy kills off every fast dividing cell in the body. Cancer cells are fast-dividing, immune cells are fast dividing. So, your white blood cell count goes down and then they have to stop chemotherapy because your white blood cell count becomes critical. Then you have no more defense, no more repair that's why they have to stop. Now they go into one single or a series of two hyperthermia treatments during. They can first of all, reduce the load to about 30-40% of the chemo. So, they reduce the amount of chemo being used to have the same effects, plus they produce so many white blood cells during the process of hyperthermia that they can continue with chemo.

See, I'm never saying chemo is bad. I kind of dislike that we make it so black and white. There is a big gray area. I've met many people who did the integrated form. They had chemotherapy but they did hyperthermia at the same time. We have many clients that do that at home. They go through hyperthermia to keep their immune system going, to intensify the effects of chemotherapy. For many it's a dream solution. So, saying it's all bad or it's all good on the other side is something that I've come to disagree with. We have solutions on both sides. That's why when we use such an integrative method like they do at the university clinic and we do it wisely, we can have far better results. We have far less side effects. Actually, we can reduce side effects like hair loss and gray skin and all of those things completely. Patients come out of their chemotherapy with much greater success. Again, there is many studies.

So, hyperthermia is a treatment that we fell in love with, but I always say it's only suitable for those clients who really want to live. If somebody says, “Oh. It's a tough treatment. Don't you have something simpler? Can we not do rather rife?” I always say, “Yeah. Just do whatever you like.” You obviously don't want to live hard enough. It's not a treatment for half-hearted approach. It's a tough treatment, but it is one of the most relieving. You will also find that you have emotional relief. Many people start crying or start getting angry and release their emotional blockages during the treatment. So, you always should have a partner there. I have so many videos on that page that explain the process. There is doctors who explain the emotional factors of hyperthermia then the immune factors. So, it's all on that training page. It's really really helpful. That's, in my opinion, one of the key treatments that we all have to do.

The second one is oxygenation. Oxygen oxygen oxygen. Cancer thrives in an anaerobic environment. If we focus on oxygenating our environment, first of all, the cancer doesn't need to spread because it always looks for other areas to settle in. As soon as there is plenty of oxygen, that won't happen. So, oxygenation and alkalinity. A lot of people think when we eat greens then we alkaline the body. I've seen people that tried that with all means. Didn't eat anything else and still were highly acidic. The problem is very simple. Every food you eat, doesn't matter what, needs to be converted into glucose for our cells to produce ATP. So, everything you eat whether it's low converting or fast converting sugar it becomes sugar in the end. The second component to produce ATP energy for your body for every cell to work is oxygen.

Now, even though you might eat the most alkaline food diet, your pee and saliva strips stay acidic. That is because we breathe wrong. Oxygen intake. You need oxygen to convert glucose with oxygen into ATP. If you don't have enough cellular oxygen, if your red blood cells don't carry enough oxygen, if you don't have that saturation in the organs, if your hemoglobin is not charged properly enough then that process is impaired. That means you have more glucose than oxygen. That means you start to ferment food. It becomes a lactic acid process and an anaerobic conversion. That is what cancer thrives on. So, the more oxygen we can get into the body, whether you use the Wim Hof method in breathing in there, Indian method or breathing exercises or you just go out in nature, exercise or you do own therapy or you do hyperbaric oxygen. It doesn't really matter. Oxygen. The new method on sitting on a bicycle with the altitude training, which is very rarely a cancer suitable treatment but it is a possibility.

Things increase the chance of survival, the chance of your immune system actually handling the cancer. The immune system dealing with infections so far that it is, in my opinion, the biggest transformation for every cancer patient. We use mostly ozone because it has a whole lot of effects that compensate even for the lack of exercise, the lack of cytokine production communication. It has 50 different health benefits to the body. That's why, again, it's used in all European as a standard of care. It's a totally normal treatment to boost the immune system, reduce infections, charge your hemoglobin with special energy that then can carry more oxygen. It makes your blood vessels dilate better so that you can get into the fine capillaries all the oxygen where it needs to go. A powerful treatment. These two hyperthermia and ozone are our more or less standard of care. Most important treatments and also most researched products that we use in cancer treatments, infectious disease treatments or any other chronic degenerative disease.

[1:14:47] Ashley James: You're blowing my mind that hyperthermia and ozone are standard in European countries and yet completely not even mentioned by MDs here. Just not even brought up. Why is it that North America is in the dark ages? Why aren't we on the cutting edge with you in Europe? Why aren't we doing the same thing? It's really infuriating when you look at how much money we pay for medical care in the United States. We spend the most amount of money on medical care than any other country. The U.S., we pay the most for our medical care. We are, I believe it's 30th or 31st, in the world rated out of all the other industrialized nations that we come 30th or 31st. That we're like close to dead last in terms of infant mortality. When you give birth in a hospital it cost over $5,000. That's if you have a smooth birth and you don't have a C-section. It blows my mind that if I were to have, God forbid knock on wood, if I were to have cancer and I lived in Europe, that a traditional oncologist would say, “Okay. We got to do some ozone therapy and some hyperthermia,” as part of my care. That’s not even heard of here.

I heard about ozone. I believe we talked about it in episode 147 when we had you on the show the first time. I first heard about ozone back in 2006 when I was working at a company. I was a sales manager for an international training company that taught people how to become trainers of neurolinguistic programming. My employer and my office manager would go to Tijuana and go to a clinic in Tijuana called the Hitt Center, Dr. Hitt. He was an American that would work in Tijuana. He would take your blood and put ozone in it, which is three oxygen molecules. Put ozone in it and then put the blood back in your body. My office manager had cervical cancer. She kind of went there for a week like she was going on vacation. She had absolutely no fear about the cervical cancer whatsoever. She was acting like it was kind of a cold that she was going to get over. She went there. She had seven days of ozone therapy and walked out without any cervical cancer. Then of course she changed her lifestyle. Ate organic, started to exercise. She then proceeded to live a much cleaner, healthier life and take care of her stress levels.

My employer at the time went there because of his allergies were off the charts. It was almost deadly for him to be in a room with a cat. It almost would send him to the hospital. It was so bad. If he was in a room with a cat he might die. That's how bad his allergies were. After getting ozone therapy and a few other natural immune therapies, he became so healthy that they adopted two cats. I watched this happen. This was my first exposure to ozone. I'm thinking to myself, “Man, why do we have to go to Tijuana to get a therapy that seems to really really work?” It was explained to me was that ozone therapy is wonderful especially for people with cancer because it explodes all the pathogens in the body. Brings down the viral load and explodes all the passive pathogens. So now your immune system, instead of having to constantly keep up with sort of dormant viruses or keep everything at bay, now your immune system could focus on healing what it really needs to, which just blew my mind.

I believe you shared with us some ways that we could at home use ozone. I'd like to talk about that because there's some concerns that ozone is a toxic substance. That it shouldn't be inhaled, it should never touch our body. If you go to buy an ozone machine there'll be all kinds of warnings about how toxic it is. So, how can we use ozone? Is it really toxic or is it benign? Should we always go to a professional or can we do ozone therapy at home?

[1:19:31] Marcus Freudenmann: Okay. That's a very very important question. Toxicity of ozone is relevant in regards to breathing it into your lungs because you don't have antioxidants in your lung and they don't handle that oxidative stress. That's why not breathing it in. If you smell it in the room, it's not dangerous. If you smell a little bit of it, not dangerous. Just in high concentrations and large volume. That's why they made it something negative. The whole concept and why it's so harassed by the authorities and by the medical professional, whoever is in charge, is because it is absolutely cheap. You need an oxygen bottle and that oxygen, whether use medical or industrial doesn't really matter. Cost you something like $60 a refill for a 1,000 treatments and that's it. The device itself, depending on which device, it's ranging from $700 to $2,000 dollars, which means every single doctor will have absolutely incredible results. The only income is towards the doctor. No chemicals to be sold. No pharmaceuticals to be sold. That's why it has been harassed all over the world being prohibited, banned. Doctors lose their license.

In America, there's more and more doctors using it. There's more and more doctors opposing those regulations and do it as a private treatment. You have to pay privately for it but they use it because they see the effects. There's hundreds and thousands of research studies and prove that it works for infections, infectious diseases, for so many things. It's used to heal leaky gut. They use it in clinics in Europe for children. They use it for toddlers with autism. They use it for children with behavioral problems because of gut issues, gut overgrowth, bacterial overgrowth. It is proven to reverse leaky gut. It's just an immense treatment. Because it is so effective, it works actually quite fast. It is easy to do. They don't like that. That's just simply the reason. I can't see any other reason because there is hardly any other treatment that has so many documented research studies and studies that it can't make it into the mainstream. So, it's just simply too cheap.

[1:22:09] Ashley James: Is it safe to do it at home?

[1:22:11] Marcus Freudenmann: Oh, yes. I do it since ten years. We have those treatments, God, 8,000-9,000 devices I’ve sold to people all around the world. From Iceland to Russia to South Africa to Namibia. I can't tell you all the countries. In the beginning we made dots on the map how far we could reach the world. Then it just became too overwhelming. Every country around the world we've delivered ozone devices to ozone bundles. We have a complete training. Again, trulyheal.com/Ashley and then just scroll up to the top. Go into treatments and you will find the O3 Academy, ozone academy. What it's used for, different protocols for different diseases, how it's used, how to set it up at home, how to be safe, contraindications, side effects, everything is there. You can get instantly the download. You can watch all the videos. We've put a lot of effort in to make it.

Let me just give you my reasoning. The biggest problem when you are diagnosed with cancer or any other chronic disease is cost. It just ends up to be an incredible expense. The more you try, the more you search around, the more you consult with training and everything the more it goes out-of-bounds. I've seen so many people broke or using their whole resources that they have just to stay alive. That's why when you go to have a treatment, in Mexico I think you pay for one ozone therapy something like $130 dollars, $100. In Germany it's a bit cheaper because every Naturopath is allowed to do ozone therapy so it's about $80 converted, $60 some of them. But if you have a 10-pack or 20-pack it still adds up. So, what we found and you need to do at least 20 or 30 treatments to see results. It's a slow-motion treatment. That's why when you buy yourself a hyperthermia dome, one hyperthermia treatment in the clinic is around and $1,500-$1,000. Here in Australia they charge now in two clinics $1,200. That's two treatments you can buy off your own dome and you can do it at home the next 10 years.

So, what we found is that that investment to buy a device, have a proper training with it, know what to do, know to handle it properly and then you can run your home treatment. It’s first of all legal. It's completely legal to treat yourself like doing a diet or taking drugs or whatever. It's totally legal. Secondary, it's safe. That's why we don't sell the device before you haven't gone through the training because we want you to really know the side effects and not going to the hyperthermia dome with big breast implants and then you get sick afterward. So, we showcase those things before. Then once you've done the training you can purchase the device and you save yourself thousands of dollars. Because they are the most effective treatments plus we teach you all the cofactors. What you need to look out for, which supplements are important, which nutritional values are important. It's always a whole package. It's made around the world. We have thousands of people who use those treatments.

[1:25:58] Ashley James: You say 20 to 30 treatments of the ozone before you see results. This is not IV ozone so you're bathing in it or you're I believe you talked about–

[1:26:12] Marcus Freudenmann: Rectally.

[1:26:13] Ashley James: Rectally. That's right. So, you put a small amount of ozone in your rectum.

[1:26:19] Marcus Freudenmann: Up your butt.

[1:26:20] Ashley James: So that you can absorb it because that's a highly absorbed area. There's a vein around the anus-

[1:26:28] Marcus Freudenmann: The portal vein.

[1:26:29] Ashley James: Yeah. Portal vein goes right to the liver. So, it's delivering the ozone into the liver and then throughout the body. So, 20 or 30 treatments, could someone do that in a month? Could they do a treatment every day for a month?

[1:26:45] Marcus Freudenmann: Yeah. Certainly. That's what the plan is. If you start out doing it for every day, in the morning. For very impatient patients who sometimes do morning and evening if they are really keen, especially in the first week where you want those effects. Major autohemotherapy, which you described before where blood is taken out and it's bathed in ozone and then drip back into the body is probably a lot more effective. I would say half or double as effective than rectal, but it requires those really big needles in your arm. Children, elderly often have problems with that. It's a dreadful thing to see that the doctor getting that needle done. It's always an hour driving or half an hour driving. It takes a lot of time.

A treatment of rectal ozone insufflation is in the morning you go to the bathroom, you go to the toilet you have your bowel movement and then right afterward you lubricate the catheter with a little bit of ozone oil. You insert that into your rectum. Then you blow 250 milliliters. It's a small amount of ozone into your colon and try to hold it. It doesn't need to stay long. It's like a fart that wants to escape so you try to hold it for something like two minutes. Then all the reaction has passed. If you would hold it longer, the only additional benefit is that the oxygen is absorbed. All your white blood cells that live in that final part of the colon in the membrane, in the mucosa, mucous membrane, they thrive with that input of ozone and oxygen. So, it's like an incredible boost that you give yourself. So, I try to hold it. I have very strong muscles. I can hold it easily. I don't even feel it, the 250 milliliters. But if it passes early it doesn't matter. That's it. That's the whole treatment for the day. You do that every morning. It's a two-minute, three-minute treatment if you include washing the catheter and flashing it out in the sink with a bit of soapy water and that's it.

The Cuba study showed that five rectal ozone insufflations can be compared in its effect to three major autohemotherapy. That's normally when you go to a clinic like your friend did in Mexico. They have three major autohemotherapy per week. That is pretty much the same as five rectal ozone insufflations. The effects are multiple. First of all, again, you create like a vaccine. The bacteria that die off become a vaccine. The virus that dies off due to the oxidation becomes a vaccine. Your cytokine production is increased. Your oxygen uptake is increased. You produce in the bone marrow what we call super red blood cells. They have highly charged hemoglobin so they take up more oxygen and release it a lot faster.

Now, they live 126 days, roughly let's say 130 days. So, when you start doing your ozone treatment, that's when the first blood cells, red blood cells, are produced which are the strongest. But you have still many that are in your body that are sluggish that don't hold a lot of energy. So you slowly increase that amount of super red blood cells. Once you really change that environment and you have a lot more oxygen uptake, see, when you breathe and you breathe in fresh air, then the oxygen has to be pulled through two membranes unto the hemoglobin. First, the lung membrane and then the red blood cell membrane. That needs a strong charge to pull that oxygen molecule through and tie it to the hemoglobin. Then the blood travels through the body and it's released in areas where it's low oxygen content. It's like a trigger that releases.

Now, if your red blood cells are starving themselves from oxygen they can hardly survive. They're clamping up and they're clotting up then they won't release the oxygen. They use it for themselves. But if you have those super red blood cells they release it. That's why it's used for Neuropathy, diabetic Neuropathy for wound healing, for expedited wound healing. For people who have those dying off black spots on their legs and toes because blood circulation doesn't get there from diabetes. It's used for wound healing. It's used to wash wounds. You can use it for toenail fungus, which your immune system is not capable of dealing there because it's fine capillaries and your oxygen is used up before it gets to your toes, to your extremities.

So, all of a sudden your whole body gets a complete revamp and reboost. Your eyesight gets better. Your skin gets better. It's used in Italy in nine clinics where I interview doctors as beauty therapy. They use it instead of Botox to take those wrinkles above the lips away to use it above the eyebrows. It's phenomenal. They remove scar tissue with it. I've never seen the treatment that is used so versatile. They use it with children with autism to heal the gut. There is clinics that flood the whole colon with two liters of ozone and then start to recolonize the colon with probiotics and with good like in Ayurveda they use ghee and good oils and good nutrients combined with minerals to recolonize the colon. It's phenomenal. I've never seen one treatment that is used so versatile in so many areas.

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[1:33:08] Ashley James: That's phenomenal. I mean, that it was used instead of Botox is kind of blowing my mind. Now, biological dentists use ozone instead of the old way that dentists would do it, which is to drill and then fill. Drill and fill a cavity. Biological dentists use ozone to kill the cavity, to kill the infection in the tooth. Then they put like an inert substance over it if they have to. But it is used by biological dentists here in the United States, is it not?

[1:33:43] Marcus Freudenmann: Yeah. Look at the process. They kill off bacteria with ozone and they stimulate the innate immune system in that area. Then usually what they do is they extract the white blood cells from your blood with the centrifugal. Then they inject that plasma, the white blood cells, into the extraction. So, the white blood cells boosted by ozone, boosted by oxygen and then do the healing. It's a phenomenal concept and it works absolutely astounding. So, I'm really upset that it's so difficult for people to get it, to find a biological dentist, to find a doctor who does it. There is many many more.

Dr. Shallenberger, who I interviewed and Dr. Robert Rowen in San Francisco or north of San Francisco. Dr. Shallenberger is in Reno. They both hold courses and training programs for doctors and professionals. They usually have about 50 to 100 people in the room, doctors and professionals who learn how to do the treatment. They've done those courses since two or three years. So, there's more and more doctors coming forth who step outside the box and say, “Look, I do what's good for my patients.”

In America, it's just not advertised. I can't go and say, “Hey. I do ozone treatment.” Here in Australia, two doctors coming from Germany and very proud, started an ozone clinic in Melbourne and within two weeks they lost their license and were closed down. So, you just need to stay under the radar. That's why I always say just call a doctor and say, “Do you do ozone therapy?” If they do then they will let you know but they won't advertise it in a big way because it's just not helping their licensee. That's why do it at home. It's a fraction of the cost. If you buy a kit it's $1,400 and it allows you to do ozone treatment for the whole family for two years, it's ten years. It doesn't cost anything. It allows you also to save in trip and time and all of those things, which I believe is quite important.

[1:36:05] Ashley James: What about HPV, herpes, yeast or Candida infections? I'm just imagining, could you put ozone in a vagina? Can you use it?

[1:36:19] Marcus Freudenmann: Oh certainly. Vaginal insufflations. You connect the hose directly with your catheter directly to the ozone generator. You turn it on 27 milligrams so a slightly lower concentration that you use for rectal. You insert the catheter into your vagina with a little bit of ozone oil. Then you inflate your whole ovarian fallopian tubes. Everything is ozonated. It's healthy for healthy cells, they thrive. Your pathogens die off so you can use it for Candida overgrowth, you can use it for EBV, for everything, for sexually transmitted diseases, herpes, genital herpes. We have many young people who do that as a treatment.

You combine it with a healthy diet. You combine it with good supplementation. You also combine it with drinking some ozone water or flashing with ozone water but a phenomenal treatment. We have all those videos on the website. How to do vaginal insufflations, how to do rectal insufflations, how to do ozone bagging for external limps. It's all learned and taught by doctors that we visited to really cover all aspects. So we don't do things half-heartedly.

[1:37:45] Ashley James: If you had to choose between ozone and hyperthermia, if someone didn't have the budget for both and they wanted to heal their body. Let's say they have a disease a chronic disease and they want to heal their body, which one? If they could just choose one right now, which one do you think is more important?

[1:38:10] Marcus Freudenmann: Again, that's one of those general questions. What is their situation? I would say it's not so much about the budget or about one or the other. It's more what is their personality type? See, we have let's say total three treatments. PEMFT would be what I call the couch potato treatment.

[1:38:33] Ashley James: What’s PEMFT?

[1:38:34] Marcus Freudenmann: It’s pulsed electromagnetic fields.

[1:38:37] Ashley James: Oh. Yes.

[1:38:37] Marcus Freudenmann: It boosts the immune system. So that would be my couch potato treatment. Lazy people who don't want to do anything and who are not really willing to touch their butt. Let's face it, many men when you say do a rectal insulation they look at you as if you ask a miracle from them. The next step would be ozone is what most people comply with. It's already borderline but they comply with it because they feel and see the results. Hyperthermia would be the toughest treatment and you really need to have a dedication to get well. It's also in sequence in effectivity. Hyperthermia would be the most effective, most powerful treatment to cover such a wide range of problems that you can do especially with a good breathing technique. When you go into the dome, it can compensate for both of the other treatments. So, that's number one.

Ozone would be treatment number two because it compensates for exercise, for breathing. It's very convenient. It's a short treatment but you need to do it longer to have those results. I just had a young lady. She contacted us with very advanced stage of herpes, genital herpes. She started out with flashing and washing with ozone water. Doing the vaginal insulation and rectal insulation because vagina is local treatment. Rectal is the systemic response of the body creating those red blood cells and creating the cytokines. So you have to do both. She did the whole process for four weeks and everything disappeared. So, dedication in that treatment will bring you massive results.

PEMFT is what I call for those people who have no energy left to do anything. They lack well even in the will to do things. If they start using PEMFT it's like your toothbrush. When it goes whoop whoop whoop and doesn't brush anymore properly, you put it in that stand and it recharges the battery. It's similar to us. Every cell is recharged. All of a sudden we go, “Woo, woo. Let's do something.” It's an energizing treatment, which has health benefits as well, but the major effect would be energy and pain.

[1:41:11] Ashley James: So when someone is just so fatigued, they're just so fatigued they just don't have the will or the energy to really do anything you say PEMFT, which you could just sit on the couch or lie in a bed, electromagnetic pulse. I did a two-part interview on micro frequency, using specific micro frequencies to stimulate certain parts of the body kind of like rife but very specific. So, you dial in a specific Hertz for exactly what they're looking to work on. Is what you're suggesting similar to that? That you dial in a certain frequency? Is it a specific frequency?

[1:42:02] Marcus Freudenmann: No. That's exactly what we try not to do because that's when it becomes really technical, very complicated. You need to do a treatment two or three weeks with a certain frequency to see whether it actually as an effect. Plus, like rife treatment, you start the treatment you do it for a while and then your cells adapt. Like, “Oh, that kills me. Let's switch my frequencies so that I don't respond.” That's why when you do rife frequency or any of those frequency treatments, which are designed to kill off certain pathogens, then your body adapts after certain while. Then you need to change the frequency, adapt.

There's whole forums that try to catch the best frequency for Lyme. They always work for a little while and then you need to search again and do scans. It's too technical. For most patients, way too overwhelming. It never yields lasting results. Whereas PEMFT is a channel recharge. It's really just simply recharging your body with energy. We don't care about frequencies. We just simply fill the body with a magnetic field not with electric current, with a magnetic field. That recharges all cells whether it's your bone cells, your immune cells, your skin cells everything at once.

I sold, actually, many devices to retirement homes. We had one that started out. It was in America one of those over 50 living or over 55 or whatever you call it. They purchased one of those devices. A few clients just used it and sat down and had that treatment. They started to excel. They started to get more feet. They're better mobility, had overall more energy, more joy in life, libido came back. It was all of a sudden like a reboot. They told everybody. This one retirement village has I think 80, how do you call it, satellites, different villages. They purchased now five devices for each of those communities. They are thriving.

When you see the effects, I went to people that are sitting in agony, in pain because the cells cramp up. They have pain, they have no more energy. They do the treatment for one or two days and you see them walking straight and they stretch out. The nurse said it's really sweet. We had it in one community and the nurse said, “Marcus, we never ever get rid of a problem which has changed its form. Before we had pain and complaining clients and grumpy and miserable. Now we have parties in the room at night, escaping patients and libido that goes through the roof that shouldn't be there anymore.” It was so sweet. Yeah. They actually show mostly the effects.

We have a lot of cancer patients that it's the most expensive device. I said that compensates for the couch potato effect you know doing little and having therefore high cost. Whereas ozone is very cheap in the middle. Then you have hyperthermia which is a tough treatment but therefore it's probably the most powerful of all. They cover so much ground. All of them deal with toxins. All of them help with detoxification. All of them kill off pathogens. All of them immobilize your immune system. Bring organs back to working function. They oxygenate the body. It's a treatment that you can do.

You go to the Gesundheit clinic in Giessen in Germany. That's where you find all super athletes, Olympic players, world athletes, marathon runners. Before they go overseas, before they have a competition they go to that clinic and what do they have? Ozone, hyperthermia and PEMFT as a boost, which is outside of the doping rules so they can do that and increase their performance 50-fold before they go. Plus they don't get infections when they travel to third-world countries. So it's a very very popular and famous clinic that all sports people go. So, it's not only for sick people.

[1:46:30] Ashley James: Oh. Fantastic. That's very interesting is PEMFT similar to the bemer mat or is that totally different?

[1:46:40] Marcus Freudenmann: It is in the same family but the bemer mat, again, uses frequencies like the iMIS and all of those. They use a frequency which runs for three minutes and that resonates with your bone cells. Then it switches to three minutes of your cartilage. Then three minutes of your muscle cells. Three minutes of your immune cells, three minutes. So, twenty minutes through, it covers pretty much all. It’s a 30-minute program. It covers pretty much the whole range of frequencies. Whereas PEMFT that we use it's called a ringer device and that's in clinics use because you can't have every patient being treated for pretty much everything just to cover one range. In a five minute treatment with a ringer device, with a pulsing magnetic device which causes those muscle contractions, it does the same thing as 10 times being on an oscillating device. So, it's a lot faster, a lot more effective. That's why it's used in sport, in soccer, in rugby. You will find when you look at those sport fields and they have an injury or they fall, you will find that a lot of those athletes are taken to the side and they immediately get PEMFT treatment because it creates faster healing, it prevents edema, it reduces swelling, it takes out any kind of bruising. It's a really powerful treatment.

[1:48:16] Ashley James: If only the average person had access to all the things that the elite athletes have access to, all the athletes do, then the average person, what every household would have a PEMFT device, would have a dome for hyperthermia, would have a device for ozone. This would be standard, like you said, it's standard practice in Europe and in clinics there and elite athletes do it. Why is it not standard practice for the rest of us?

[1:48:47] Marcus Freudenmann: I would say thousands of people do. It's not that uncommon. When we speak about those treatments, you will find that many people already know, many people have, many people do it. It's not that rare. Yes, the general public is not educated but let's face it, it starts with diet, it starts with looking and feeling about your body, what your body is telling you. It should be actually not only available because it is available widely. The main factor that we forgot is to educate our families, our children to be more body-conscious, to feel before the disease happens, to know what's healthy for us what is not, to listen to what my body tells me.

If I eat the same food and I get everyday diarrhea, who connects that what they eat is related to their diarrhea? Sensitivities that come two days late. It's not that these treatments are not there. They are there since 40 years. Ozone is well-known since a long time as one of the powerful treatments. I think it's the lack of education. This is why I'm so passionate about that.

If people know and they feel what they can do and you feel the difference from before and after. If you repair your leaky gut and you take some food sensitivities out, how your mind is all of a sudden sharp like a bell. I think we always need to be driven to that place by adversity. I was having my whole mouth full with amalgam fillings. Then my mum said, “It looks ugly. We need to take those out.” Put that white ceramic in so that it looks nice. The dentist drilled them all out in one day. A week later I couldn't walk anymore. I couldn't walk straight. I had such a heavy metal poisoning that I was running into walls. I couldn't read, I couldn't write. My parents in their panic took me out of school and put me into a private school. Lucky, we had a teacher there who was conscious and he said, “Look, I was reading the grades he was cool and then all of a sudden he dropped. Now, he’s hardly responding. What has happened?”

If he wouldn't have been there my parents didn't even connect that the dentist might have something to do with my deterioration because we're not aware. This is where I believe the biggest problem is. Helping each other to become aware that what we do has an impact on our health.

[1:51:36] Ashley James: To be conscious of what's in our blind spot. Sometimes it takes going to a health coach or going to someone like you. Going to someone who can help us to look in our blind spots and see the missing pieces. It's hard to see it in our own life sometimes, but you go to someone who's trained like a health coach or a Naturopathic physician to talk about your whole health history. There's a huge difference. You go to a Naturopath, your first session is something like 60 or 90 minutes. You go to an MD, insurance only really covers 15 minutes if you're lucky. There are really good-hearted MDs out there that want to do good work but they're not paid to sit down and spend an hour or 90 minutes with you and really talk about your health history and figure out what the root cause is. They're not trained to look for root cause and to help someone heal. They're not even paid to.

[1:52:37] Marcus Freudenmann: Times are changing. They are changing dramatically at the moment. I'm really excited about this. We started our coaching program five years ago. Five years ago when we went out and talked about the root cause and what you learn in the program, many people just looked at me like, oh you're a weirdo. I felt sometimes like out of place, but we stuck to it. We really focused more and more and more onto finding the real problems in our life and how we can resolve them. You see that too.

We had so many clients that went overseas. They have a treatment. They do really well. Their cancers disintegrate. They shrink. They come home into their old environment and all of a sudden cancer come back and grow like crazy. You take them back out of the environment. Well, isn't it a logical conclusion that we then check the environment and look what's wrong? Whether it's their living condition, whether it's EMF, whether it's mold, whether it's the stress level that they go back into, it's memories that they go back into.

So many things that might trigger the disease. That's where finding that root problem really became a passion. We have now thousands of coaches and students in the program. I can tell you what, many of them are oncologist, many of them are MDS who heard about the process that we do and that want to give a different service to their clients. With just last month I think we signed up five new MDS and two oncologists into the program. I love that transformation because it just shows that there is a willingness to change and to adapt to a new time. We are living in a new paradigm. With the Internet, everything has changed.

[1:54:30] Ashley James: I love that. Now, if a listener wants to work with a coach who's been through your training, do you have a list or do you have some way that they can find someone who's been through your training to work with?

[1:54:48] Marcus Freudenmann: It's already on the website. We're just updating it. We have been pretty slack with that because of rebuilding the website. We had to separate the treatment pages from the main page because of legal problems and disclaimers and all of that. It feels like you're always running a marathon because of legal problems. So, we had to separate that. We had to separate the shop from the whole website. So, it's been a massive. Right now we're working to put all the coaches and all the updated coaches and the ones who take on services and filter out those who don't. We have many that work in a clinic or work in an environment where they can't advertise themselves. We have a lot of clinics actually hire our coaches as they are finished. So, it's really fascinating how this thing happens and changes. Yeah. There is a list on the website trulyheal.com/Ashley. Then just go up into treatments, into coaches, into program.

I think it's also important once you've seen the approach that we teach. It's making so much more sense because I cover all of those subjects in great detail.

[1:56:07] Ashley James: Yes. So, when they go to that link specifically which is for the Learn True Health listeners and for this episode. They're given access to your free training and the videos that you're most proud of. Out of almost 600 videos you've ever made these are ones that you feel are really effective. So you get access to those, which thank you so much because you love spreading information. Then there are listeners, about 20% of my listeners are holistic health professionals, nurses, Naturopaths, chiropractors, acupuncturists, health coaches. So, those who are listening who are in the health field or looking to become to enter the health field, they could take your program, your online program. Could someone who has no background in healthcare do your program or is it only for healthcare providers?

[1:57:00] Marcus Freudenmann: Everybody who is passionate about health. Our best students are often those who have a disease themselves. Many of them are scared. Can I do that? Can I learn? What if I don't succeed? They go through. We have now nine coaches that started the program with cancer and ended the program without. That already shows because they apply much of what they learn to themselves. So, you need to have at the ability to remember and to learn and dedication to go through. Our program, we call it functional medicine training or functional medicine health coach certification. It's a very deep program. So, it's not just a dietary coach or a wellness coach. It's really deep. We cover all the tests, how to read the test. From DNA SNPs, to liver profiles to whatever.

 So, it is not very superficial. It's actually what I would say what doctors should know. It's a program that is quite intense, but it is the most rewarding program to know afterward for your family, for your friends. Even if you just use it privately, the insights that you gain are just stunning. Plus we cover mental and emotional problems. We cover lifestyle problems and we cover also spiritual problems. Not spiritual in regards to religion but life purpose, listening to your inner voice, covering many aspects of wanting to live.

See, one of the first things that we always check with patients, do they actually still want to live? The wife drags the husband to the practitioner. You see he is more or less not interested, not focused. If there is no spark, if there is no reason to live, if any of the seven areas, let's say you have five areas of your life not empowered or not joyful or not successful, then life becomes a drag. It becomes very abusive. It becomes very challenging. So those people don't want to get well.

So, we first look at how to empower those person in maybe one or two areas so that at least three becomes stable. It is so powerful when you see all of a sudden someone empower themselves and then want to live. Not just being told that they have to do this and this to live longer and they don't enjoy life. So, there's so many facets in there that we've included from what we've learned from other practitioners. I'm not saying we've invented any of that. I'm actually just a collector of gems as I always say. I walk along the beach and every gem I find and everything that is shared with me, which is of great importance, we add to the program. So, it covers from the spiritual to the mental to the physical side pretty much everything and lifestyle.

[2:00:15] Ashley James: Brilliant. I know you have worked closely with doctors all around the world that get real results. You've collected the information and the techniques that are really really working. I love that your approach is to help someone first identify what created the disease state in their body. Let's get to the root cause and help us heal at the root level. You're not ever treating the cancer.

[2:00:47] Marcus Freudenmann: You remember the three ladies?

[2:00:49] Ashley James: Yes. You’re not ever treating the cancer.

[2:00:50] Marcus Freudenmann: You remember the three ladies?

[2:00:51] Ashley James: I do.

[2:00:51] Marcus Freudenmann: The first one wouldn't need hyperthermia nor ozone. See, this is what I mean that's why I'm so reluctant to give general advice. Because they might just go because they have cancer. Then say, “Oh. I need ozone.” The first one wouldn't need either of them because it's a completely different background of treatment. That's why that generalization or telling everybody to go to the dentist is not what we should do. $250 dollars is really no money in relation to what you pay the long run to get rid of such a disease. Therefore it's a real benefit to do that.

[2:01:34] Ashley James: So, do that the quiz on your website, which has them really go through and figure out where the problem is coming from, what to focus on? So, when they go to your website, what is the name of the quiz or how would they find that? It's trulyheal.com/Ashley. Then where do they go to find that quiz?

[2:01:59] Marcus Freudenmann: It's not a quiz. I think in the first so second email after you sign up, see you will need to sign up. Sign the disclaimer for the website. As soon as you are in, then the whole website reveals a whole lot more. You can watch the free documentary. You can watch so much more. It's all opened up but you need to sign in. That's one of the things we had to do for safety reasons because we’re teaching non-FDA-approved treatments. We teach them to private people. That's why the whole safety step had to be first, second, third. So, as soon as you sign up you will find that more buttons, more possibilities come out. Then it's in I think the second email after we talk about the causes, you will get an email where we offer that as a package and why we believe it's so important. Then it comes with the whole educational program with that. It's like I told you, we don't sell before you're educated or we try not to because we believe it's important that people make wise and informed decisions.

[2:03:09] Ashley James: Right. Well, you're saving them time and money and also helping them get the closest to the truth for them as possible. Figuring out what their best path would be because I watched my friend for eight months just throw, it's like it's like playing darts blindfolded. “I'm going to try some of this mushroom. I'm going to try some hyperbaric chamber. I'm going to try some vitamin C therapy. I'm going to try some Holly injections. I'm going to try some homeopathy.” I mean, the list went on and on and she spent-

[2:03:42] Marcus Freudenmann: Oh, let’s buy some frankincense.

[2:03:43] Ashley James: Frankincense, right.

[2:03:44] Marcus Freudenmann: It’s $250 and it cures cancer. It never has.

[2:03:48] Ashley James: Yeah. Well, she went to Mexico a few times in the clinic down there. She did so many therapies and spent tens of thousands of dollars. It was great actually. Her cancer stopped growing. It was a fast-growing cancer. All the natural stuff she was doing, it stopped at its tracks and just sat there. It didn't get any worse, it just sat there.

[2:04:17] Marcus Freudenmann: Wow. See that's already a huge achievement.

[2:04:19] Ashley James: Yeah. If she had a million dollars in the bank she could have kept just blindly doing all the natural stuff. She was nutrifiying her body, she was eating really healthy, she was working on everything she could all-natural. She could have just kept going if she had a million dollars, but she didn't figure out how to get to the root of it.

[2:04:42] Marcus Freudenmann: See, this is where we say you invest let's say $1,400 for ozone, $2,500 or $2,600. I think it's on special at the moment for hyperthermia. When you have the two treatments that they do in Germany, every day when you go there, you don't get any. The only treatment that is in Germany at the moment stronger is laser treatment they do additionally, which you can't do at home and local hyperthermia for local treatment. It's less tough on the body, but therefore it's very effective. So, they do those four treatments and that's what you pay $30,000 for plus some IVs.

So, find yourself and that's where we go through the program. We teach people what to ask for and what to look for and which test will reveal it. Then what kind of local IVs they can get. There's so many doctors in America and in every other country that give IV treatments: magnesium, zinc, selenium, Myers cocktail, whatever you want. B vitamins and supplementation. So, that's where you compensate. Pretty much you recreate your own therapy, but you can do it not only for three weeks and then come back half a year later for another three weeks and again and again until you run out of money. You do it consistently at home. Within a matter of two years most of our clients reverse their cancer.

It's a slow process. I'm not lying and I'm not saying that you get rid of it in three weeks. You don't do that in clinics either. It's a process of transformation. Remember cancer is here to show us and teach us something. So, going away into the inside, listening to our body, becoming conscious which I believe is the main effect that happens. Reconnecting with our loved ones. Stopping the fight and the flights and in our sympathetic nervous system. So many things that are part of the healing process, but as you go through we've guided every single step of that process. In the coaching program and as a coach you work with your client that way or you do it yourself and learn it for yourself. It's a huge transformation. Usually after two years you have either no cancer or you've recovered so that it doesn't keep growing. Let's face it, if it doesn't keep growing and you can do that for the next 20 years, hey, that’s a win.

[2:07:21] Ashley James: Right. I know my friend, when she was down in Mexico, met a man at one of the cancer clinics down there who is from the UK. He was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. They gave him like two or three months to live and that was 12 years ago. He's still alive. He kept going to these kind of cancer clinics, all-natural, getting the IVs and ozone and all these treatments. He has just halted the growth of the tumor. It's not getting bigger. It's not getting smaller. It's just staying the exact same. He has had a wonderful quality of life.

So, he uses his cancer as a barometer, as a measuring tool. So, if his markers start to go up he's like, “Oh, what have I been doing in my life? Oh. Well, I’ve been getting less sleep. I've been a little bit relaxed in my health regimen. Okay, I'm a little more stressed. All right. I need to take better care of myself.” So he comes every six months and gets thermography and gets blood work done in Mexico, because it's cheaper. It's not even available these things. Some of these things that he does aren't available in the UK. But he goes every few months and just tests to make sure that he is on course. Sure enough, he's lived. He's totally blown away the oncologists in the UK because he's proving that you can live a long healthy life with lung cancer. He's just stopped the growth of it. So, it does take shifting our mindset from the old fear mentality towards a mentality of healing and-

[2:09:03] Marcus Freudenmann: Of attitude.

[2:09:04] Ashley James: Yes. Yeah.

[2:09:05] Marcus Freudenmann: Gratitude for the cancer, what it brings into my life gratitude. For the lessons that it helps me achieve, the motivation it gives me you. How many people try to diet and diet and diet nothing works and then all of a sudden with that motivational push they manage to shift and break free of their old habits. It's a really beautiful thing.

[2:09:30] Ashley James: So, I'm really interested for the listeners to go to the link you've given us. Trulyheal.com/Ashley and sign up and say okay to the disclaimer. So, they all of a sudden then are given access to this private website with all this information because you want to give a lot of training to all of us. You're not charging for the training. You're giving us a free training. Then should someone want to buy the $250 quiz or should someone want to buy a machine from you they can. Everyone could benefit from the training.

So, they go to the website. Is it quite clear when they go to that link how to sign up so that they get access to all this, I don’t want to say secret information, but it's a private website that they get access to.

[2:10:17] Marcus Freudenmann: It’s secret information. No. It's just protected that we don't give out before the disclaimer. Yeah, it's very logical. Any video that you try to click, the sign-up box comes up. You can sign up with your Facebook or Instagram or Google account or whatever. All the new fancy stuff. You can sign up with a username and password. Once you've done that you log into the site and it automatically logs you in. Then you have access to everything. The documentary, we've got the new one the old one there. We have hundreds of videos explaining different things. From my daughter released yesterday a video about trauma and how to deal and supplement in the best way when you had traumatic events. What it does to the body. So, it's so much content. I would say 20 years of love in that final website that we have now and we're really proud.

[2:11:16] Ashley James: I'm so proud of the work that you're doing, Marcus. Thank you so much for coming back on the show and sharing your wealth of information. Anytime I talk to you I just feel like we're just scratching the surface. So, I'm really glad that you're providing your website with hundreds of hours of free training. So listeners, if they've loved learning from you today then they can dive into your website and continue learning, trulyheal.com/Ashley. I know I'm definitely going to dive in because there's some of your content I still haven't absorbed yet. So, I'm going to dive in myself. I've always been interested in ozone ever since I saw my friends, my past employer has such a profound result with it. I keep hearing that it's so effective. Then of course you sharing how effective it is. I'm really curious to learn more.

I'm really glad that you're a resource for the listeners to aid them. All this information is another tool in our tool belt. We have to grow our tool belt and we need to advocate for our own health. Doctors don't make us healthy. They are there to help us and guide us, but we can't give over our decision-making to a doctor. We can't just blindly give over our will to a doctor because the doctor does not come home with us. We're the ones that heal ourselves with our actions every day whether we're taking our medication, going for a walk, breathing. I know we're about to wrap it up. I want to talk about breathing a meditation, which is something you wanted to teach. We are the ones who are taking action. We need to remember that the root word for doctors, docere, which means teacher.

A doctor is our teacher. A health coach is our teacher. Holistic practitioners are our teachers. This podcast is our teacher. We're the ones who get to assimilate the knowledge. Then we have to take action. That means working on the level of emotional health, mental health, spiritual health and working on physical health. Doing daily things every day. The hundred and two hundred decisions that you make every day either adding up health or stripping you of health. Whether you drink a glass of water when you first wake up in the morning or you drink a coffee when you first wake up in the morning. I'm not vilifying coffee. I'm just saying, if you're dehydrating your body or if you're hydrating your body will add to your health or slowly take away from your health. These little things add up.

[2:14:03] Marcus Freudenmann: Let's say it that way. If you drink coffee and you drink it black without sugar, without milk it's actually a remedy. It helps your liver detoxify. It's one of the healthiest thing, again, plenty of research. It's just if you add all the sugar and the milk that's when it becomes really bad.

[2:14:20] Ashley James: It depends on the quality of the coffee. Where it comes from, whether it's organic or not organic, how much you drink and how much water you drink also to hydrate the body. If you're drinking 90 ounces of not organic black coffee a day, it's probably less healthy than 12 ounces of black coffee or 16 ounces of black organic coffee that's blonde brew because it's less roasted. Then you follow it up with a 120 ounces of water throughout the day. There's so many ways that we can tweak our lifestyle. If you were to go to bed 30 minutes earlier. Just try it. Just try going to bed 30 minutes earlier than you normally do.

There is a study they did with children in the United States. They found that these children had ADD. They found that just 30 minutes of extra sleep, most of the children, it was a large amount of children. I think it was over 60% of the children saw a significant decrease in their ADHD symptoms. So, just little tweaks throughout the day, little shifts in our decisions and in our motivation and in our mindset can add up big time to helping us prevent disease and also helping the body to heal itself. Using resources like Marcus's can really go a long way to inform us so that we make better choices. Like you said, what if we switched from cow dairy and sugar in our coffee to a black coffee. It takes about three to five days to adjust.

My husband once had me drink black just as an experiment. This is like 10 years ago. I was the kind of person that put so much sugar in a coffee that at the bottom of the coffee there would be syrup, there'd be like half an inch of thick sugary syrup. That was ten years ago. My husband challenged me to go black. Within a week I could drink black coffee. I didn't have a problem with it. I thought that's really interesting. I neuro-adapted to the flavor. I didn't enjoy it for a few days and then I was fine.

So, as an experiment, what if we followed Marcus's advice. Just do these tiny little changes adding up. It adds up to something big. Now, adding meditation and adding breathing to our life could just be something little, it's a little change, but what if it had a huge impact?

[2:16:45] Marcus Freudenmann: I can tell you the most important change and I don't know if you can relate to that. If I go into the fitness studio and I do my own exercise, I usually go out way too early and way too little exercise. If I take a coach and I work with them I’d triple my exercise. I found that this is really one of the things that changes people. First of all, it becomes a lot more affordable. When you have someone that guides you through the process and especially in a disease like cancer, if you don't need to do all the changes yourself. You have someone that keeps on motivating, that keeps on reminding.

Let's face it, it's an overwhelming amount of things that some people have to change. From their environment to their lifestyle to their habits to everything. We know that when you do two or three things at the same time, you already have a tendency to drop out, to not do them. Because it's so much, many people give up way too early. That's why working with a coach that helps you to pull you through, that reminds you that not impatiently but genuinely interested in your health and wellness to take you through is a huge advantage. I've seen it for myself in many areas, working with a coach I perform 50 times better. I do a lot better. I have much better results. If I do it on my own, I sneak into my old ways and avoid the pain and do all sorts of things to bypass the lesson. That's probably not just me. I see it with all of our clients.

That's why that coaching process or evaluation process, which I wanted to clarify too, it's not a questionnaire that you fill out and then you get a computer result. It's actually a person. It’s one of our coaches that works through your evaluation manually, reads everything, puts all the pieces of the puzzle together, may ask you a few more questions to really clarify certain points because some people are not self-aware. They don't know what to answer or how their stool looks. “Oh, I flash that always down. I never look.”

So, these are things that we really focus on. Once that person has worked through your whole chart, has asked you all the questions, then they will come with the consultation which is an hour to really guide you through. Then you can work with that person and follow up. So, it's actually a completely integrated service.

[2:19:23] Ashley James: I love it. Very cool. I really like your analogy. If you just work out at the gym alone you might avoid pain. It's funny. My husband and I go to the gym together. I push him more when we're in the gym, but he pushes me more before. If I'm trying to make an excuse not to go to the gym he's like, “No. Come on. We’re going to the gym. We're going to go for a walk. We're going to go down. We're going to go this hike. We're going to go to this hiking trail.” He's more motivational to get there and then when once we're there I'm the one that's pushing him, which is also pushing me. I'm like, “Come on. Let's do five more minutes. Let's go. He's all like, “I want to give up. I want to give up.”

[2:19:59] Marcus Freudenmann: That’s a great combo.

[2:20:01] Ashley James: It's funny because there's this one machine at the gym where you're cycling with your legs and your arms. I'll catch my inner dialogues. I really like to list. I like to become the observer listening to my inner dialogue instead of letting my inner dialogue run the show. Because if my inner dialogue ran the show I'd eat like a dozen donuts a day and I'd never move. Our inner dialogue likes to critique us but then it likes to do really bad behaviors. It's kind of like this just wild child that was raised by wolves. So we have to really catch ourselves and go, “Wait a second. I'm not actually going to let this first thought.” The thought that goes, “Oh, let's go eat McDonald's. Let's not go to the gym. Let's binge Netflix till 2:00 in the morning.” That voice is this wild child that just wants the instant dopamine pleasure, wants to procrastinate. That little voice it does not want us to be healthy.

So, I have to become the observer and go, “Oh, that's an interesting thought,” and let it pass. That thought doesn't need to run me. That's not conducive to my goals. So, I'm like five minutes into my exercise and that little thought’s like, “Oh, this is hard now. I'm tired. Let's stop.” I'm like, “I just got to the gym. What are you talking about?” I’ll have an argument with myself basically, but if I push through and I put a goal in my mind like I'm going to sprint until the next mile marker on this machine. I'm pushing myself. I’m pushing myself. I have to set these goals. They're a little higher each time and see if I can push myself.

There's been times when I've hired a personal trainer. Then you’re not even thinking about that because they're like, “Okay. You're doing 12 this time. Okay. You're doing this weight. Okay. Now you're going to keep going. Okay, it's burning. Okay. Keep breathing through it.” They don't let that voice run you, but when you're doing it on your own that voice is kind of screaming.

[2:22:06] Marcus Freudenmann: Screaming. I had a very nice experience. I was hiking up a trail in Zion Park to the observation point. I think it's a long long hike. Always up, switchbacks up the mountain. I was going up and I wanted to give up so many times. My head was telling me, “You won't make it back down. It will be dark. It's not possible. You're too exhausted. You will have cramps tomorrow.” All of a sudden a voice behind me. Actually first thought that’s in my head said, “Giving up is not an option.” I was like turning around and there was an elderly gentleman. He was probably 80. He said, “One foot in front of the other and tell that stupid head of yours to shut up. Giving up is not an option.”

I was like, “Thank you. Why did you know?” He said, “Well, I saw you turning around four times and then still keep going but you were fighting.” I said, “Yeah. I was actually just about turning. The view is good enough from here.” He said, “The view is much better up there and you will be exuberant and happy.” Then we walk together you. He was a lot older. He walked slowly so I managed to keep up with him. When I got to the top I had that first time in my life that hormone endorphin release of my body like that happy hormone. I was so excited. I was sick for three days with sore muscles and calves and everything, but it was worth it.

Since then, every single time I get to that point where I want to turn around or want to stop I say, “Giving up is not an option.”

[2:23:53] Ashley James: One foot in front of the other. Keep going. That is beautiful. You mentioned you want to talk about meditation and breathing. I know this has been a lengthy interview so I thank you for staying with us. You mention that it is very important. It's very important to incorporate breathing, to oxygenate the body and meditation. Are there tools on your website, after people do the disclaimer and get in there, that teach us about oxygenating our body with breathing and meditation so we can incorporate this very important tool?

[2:24:31] Marcus Freudenmann: I have several articles on there. I'm working at the moment myself since six-month on the Wim Hof method. I tell you what, I've been blown away by the results. So it's something that I will include into our training. You manage to alkaline your body within a matter of 15 minutes so much that it's absolutely a dream for cancer patients because the high acidity, the lactic acid production of the tumor to alkaline the body in a very very massive form.

So, right now we're working on it. I had to do. I never teach anything we don't do ourselves. We never teach anything which we haven't proven with at least five or six people that it's true and that it's working or where we have research. So, it works. It works like a dream. Everybody can do it in a matter of minutes they can alkaline their body and oxygenate the body and influence the immune system. So, we are adding that right now. We're creating the videos. That will be published in two or three weeks. It's inline with our program. As soon as you're subscribed you will get all those articles and everything that's relevant as well.

So, that will be one of the most powerful trainings. We have the normal breathing techniques and the pranayama from the yogic teachings already in the program, but that's a new one that I became aware of. Because of the extreme effects of alkaline in the body in such a short time, we've just added it.

[2:26:14] Ashley James: Very excited. I'm very excited for that, Marcus. Thank you so much for coming today and sharing all your information. I'd love to have you back and just continue diving into these topics. I'd also really like to interview some of your graduates. You mention that eight or nine graduates who started your program with cancer and they healed themselves after learning all the information from you and implementing it to their own life and now that they are cancer-free. I would love to interview them. I think that's so inspiring to interview people who have healed their own disease and then share the experience with others. It gives people hope and also educates us on the step-by-step. What it takes to get to the body back from that level of disease back to a level of health. That it's possible and we can do it.

Listeners, please go to trulyheal.com/Ashley and sign up to gain access to all of Marcus's free information. I'm really excited to hear from the listeners after they dived into your information. Listeners, if you want to share a testimonial or talk about this, continue the discussion you could go to the Learn True Health Facebook group. We have, I believe it's 3,700 members now in our Facebook group and growing. We love to have discussions about topics like this. Marcus, you're also welcome to join our Facebook group. Listeners, as you go through Marcus's information, as you try his therapies or do his extensive tests, please come to the Facebook group and share so all of us in the Facebook group can learn from each other's experiences. I think that would also be valuable. Marcus, is there anything you'd like to say to wrap up today's interview?

[2:28:07] Marcus Freudenmann: I think we've already covered so much ground. We don't want to overwhelm people. I have a tendency to do that every time.

[2:28:14] Ashley James: Oh, I love it. I'm the kind of person that just firehose me with information. I just love it. Obviously everyone who's still listening is the same. Thank you. Thank you so much, Marcus. Just come back on the show. Keep sharing.

[2:28:30] Marcus Freudenmann: Oh, I’m happy to do.

[2:28:31] Ashley James: Please, send us people for me to interview. People, especially graduates of your program. I'd love to keep uncovering the truth.

[2:28:40] Marcus Freudenmann: We will do. I’ll put the word out and sent them to you. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure to be with you. I'm always interested to come back. We can, for example, dive into a particular subject and really make all your listeners understand the basics of each treatment, what it actually does so that they can really make an informed decision. So, yeah. Anytime.

[2:29:07] Ashley James: Oh, I'd love that. Terrific.

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