366: Grounding And Earthing

Clint Ober And Ashley James


  • What is grounding / earthing?
  • Grounding and inflammation.
  • You are creating free radical damage when you're ungrounded.
  • The human body is electrical in nature.
  • How to prevent electromagnetic interference in the body.

Have you experienced feeling fatigued even if you just woke up? In this episode we will talk about the connection of our bodies to the earth and the amazing benefits of grounding / earthing. Clint Ober will share his products that help the body to stay grounded and reduce the risks of immune related conditions.


Hello true health seeker and welcome to another exciting episode of Learn True Health podcast today, I think will be the most important and interesting interview you have ever heard.

This information to me is absolutely crucial essential for everyone to know. So I'm very, very excited that you're here to listen to today's interview, Clint Ober is doing a giveaway. We talk about it near the end of the episode, but I want to make sure you know about it. Since sometimes people take a few days to listen to a whole interview, especially when it's as long as this one. So you want to join the Facebook group Learn True Health, just search Learn True Health in Facebook or you can go to www.learntruehealth.com/group, and it’ll take you to the Facebook group.

We're doing a giveaway and Clint Ober is going to be giving away several of his products for free as a big giveaway. It's so exciting. He's giving away so much – their grounding mats. And the one that I'm using right now, my feet are on right now are pretty much either at cost or they're putting all the money back into helping people. So he's mission driven. He's heart driven, I really really enjoyed interviewing him. I also watched his documentary which something we talked about, we talked about a lot in the interview, and they've given me permission to play the documentary for you right now. It can't be a public documentary, because it is being played at film festivals around the world. And it just won a bunch of awards in Hollywood at a film festival. So in order to be in compliance with the film festivals, it has to be password protected. Well, they gave me the link and the password. And I'm going to be sharing that in the Facebook group as well. You're going to want to watch this documentary, it is fascinating. We sat down and we were glued to it. In fact, I've been wanting to go back and watch it again. That’s how interesting it is.

Now as you listen to today's show, if you decide that you want to try one of his grounding mats, I absolutely recommend you do it has made a big difference. I've tried other stuff from other companies, but he has so much science behind it. I really love it. So you can go to www.learntruehealth.com/grounding. That's www.learntruehealth.com/grounding. And there you can find the mats. One thing is if you want to try it and have your whole family try it then there's a little kit that you can get –  the patch kit. And later on in the interview, I asked him to explain each product and the reason why he created these products was out of a need because he wanted to do studies. So he's done 26 peer reviewed studies. And he had to create a product in order to do this grounding.

When I first got into this, I really thought that it sounded like a lot of woo woo, it sounded really hippy dippy, like, you know, “Oh, what are we going to go dance barefoot in the grass?” And that little skeptical part of me was like, “Are you kidding me, there can't be any science to this. This just sounds like a bunch of placebo.” Well, the documentary goes through the science and explains how the immune system works and how these electrons that are built up in our body because we are not grounded anymore. With the shoes we wear, the carpets we walk on. Throughout the day, we are not grounded. And so we're collecting electrons that you can actually hook yourself up to a meter. And you can prove that we're being like little batteries. There's this positive charge that's occurring. And through the process of earthing which is connecting directly to the ground or grounding, which is using a device in your home. Sometimes it's easier to do grounding, especially if it's like February in Montana, and a lot of people want to go walk in the grass right now it's summertime. So we all want to go out and walk in the grass barefoot, but there are parts of the country that we don't want to do that in because of heavy spraying of pesticides. So in that case, the devices are amazing for helping you.

I love that it calms me, it makes me happier. And our son who's using it on his bed is sleeping in now. We've done really well with sleep between the magnesium and changing our mattresses, and all the little health habits that we do. But since we added the grounding mat, he is sleeping in more. So I thought that was really neat. And I also noticed that we're getting even deeper sleep, I didn't think that was even possible. And that's because when you do grounding or earthing, it significantly lowers inflammation in the body. And he talks about that both in the movie, in the documentary that you're gonna have access to by going to the Facebook group, and also in this interview that you're about to enjoy.

So I'm so thrilled that you're here to learn from this information from Clint Ober. He is quite a character quite fascinating and such a wonderful soul. It was a true blessing to interview him today. And I know you'll really enjoy what he has to share. I just want to make sure you know, to join the Facebook group and participate in the giveaway because you could win one of the awesome mats and I'd love for you to do that. I'd love for you to win it. That'd be great. He's giving me I think like five of them. And also definitely come to the Facebook group so you can have access to the documentary and watch it. It is amazing. And if you have any questions, please come to the Facebook group, Learn True Health in Facebook and ask them. Our community is super supportive. So many people not just me, I'll definitely be there to answer your questions. But the whole community comes together to help each other. So it's a really wonderful place to be. Wonderful. Well enjoy today's interview.

Welcome to the Learn true health podcast. I'm your host, Ashley James. This is Episode 366.

6:10 Ashley James: I am so excited for today's guests. Out of all the interviews I've done and it's been over 365 interviews. I feel like this one today is going to be the most important interview that you listen to. We have with us Clint Ober. I've watched the documentary with him recently the Earthing Movie. And it has completely blown my mind. I feel like you know that little nuclear explosion that went off in my head. I'm like, “Oh my gosh, this is the most important thing my listeners need to know.” Clint, I'm honored to have you here on the show today.

6:51 Clint Ober: Well, Ashley, I'm honored to be able to visit with you and present what I know about earthing and what we've learned over the last 20 years and hopefully help some people.

7:03 Ashley James: Absolutely. Now I first heard about this, I want to say about maybe a year and a half ago, I was interviewing I believe was a naturopath. I've heard about a dozen naturopath and holistic experts on my show, telling me that grounding or earthing is vital  – is absolutely essential to someone's healing and it kept coming up. But the first time I heard it, I was asking one of my guests to share some homework for the listeners, what would be one thing they could do to really change their life, like what one thing that 100% of the population can do to change your life. And she said, the first thing I do with my clients is I get them a grounding mat on their bed. Absolutely essential that every one of her patients have one. And I thought, wow, if she says that it's that important, then I need to look into this a little bit. And so I told my husband and he got really curious. And that's he actually found you through searching through YouTube videos. And he came to me he goes, “You have to have this guy, Clint on your show. He's amazing. This stuff is amazing.” And yeah, and so we started to do things like walk barefoot outside, when we could and hug, I was hugging trees. You know, just to feel –  do I feel different? Do I notice a difference when the electrons are leaving my body? And then my husband got into trying to build our own mats because he saw some videos online. And I don't recommend making your own mats, it was kind of messy and, and it just didn't work out very well. But your mats are amazing. In fact, I have my feet on the grounding mat right now for the office. And when I have my feet on it, I actually don't want to leave the office, I start feeling so good. Have you heard that before, people say they don't want to get off the mat?

9:03 Clint Ober: Yes. You don't want to get out of bed.

9:06 Ashley James: Right. Well, what's really interesting is that we put the grounding mat that we bought one from you and put it on our bed. And and we noticed a difference, we’re like. “I wonder if our son knows the difference?” He’s four and so we didn't tell him but we put him on one. And he started sleeping in. And that's like a miracle for us because he's been our alarm clock for the last four years. And he was sleeping in, we'd wake up and he's still sleeping. And that would never ever happen in the past. And it's the only change we made – was putting them on the grounding mat. I thought that was really interesting.

9:46 Clint Ober: It is. Absolutely love it.

9:49 Ashley James: Yeah, so I want to get into your story. I know definitely we picked some people's interest. What is this? What is this grounding or earthing? It sounds so woo, whoo. You know, “Oh, go hug a tree, go walk barefoot in the grass.” Well, when we started telling my mother in law about this, she thought it was fascinating because her nanny growing up was her grandmother from Germany. And every morning she would go out as the sun rose, and they would walk barefoot in the grass, in Pasadena, California. Every morning her whole childhood, her grandmother made her do that. And and so when we started talking to her about earthing or grounding, she said, “That's what I did my whole childhood, my grandmother made us do it.” And I thought that was really interesting that we, as humans knew to do it. And we've lost that way in the last few generations. So I want to get into your story. And then we're going to dive into the science of why earthing or grounding can remove inflammation, pain, depression, it has even helped women lose weight, and balance the systems of the body. It's it's very fascinating. But first, let's get into your story, Clint, what happened in your life that led you to discover earthing or grounding?

11:18 Clint Ober: Well, I never really know where to start. But probably the best place is to – I spent 30 years in the communications industry, primarily cable television, broadcast television, satellite distribution and things like that. And in that industry, we have to ground everything to the earth, in order to maintain electrical stability throughout the system to prevent noise, electrical glitches. It's like if you see a TV set that has lines in it then flicks and you know any kind of electromagnetic interference. So we have to ground the system to maintain it at earth potential. So that eliminates all the static charges. And if there's any atmospheric electrical events, a lot of times people think of lightning, but there's lots of other rises and ground potential and all of that thing. So But anyhow, the main thing is, everything had to be grounded to the earth in order for safety and for electrical stability. And I learned that when I was quite young, prior to that, I grew up in Montana. And we were barefoot all the time, most of it. And a lot of my friends were Native American. And so we were a very earthy group of people. I mean, we were more nature oriented, it's like, in nature, everything is connected. It's it's all systemic, and we're a part of it, and so on. After I had a health event, before I had a root canal, as a result, an abscess in my liver, and I had to go in for surgery, and they had to remove a lot of my liver. And at the time, they didn't know how much they could remove and habit grow back. And I was young enough to get a new liver at that time, I was like 49. I’m 75 now. The problem was, I didn't have time, because of the condition I was in. And so I did recover from that. It was kind of, I think, a little bit of that was touched on in the movie.

After I went through that traumatic experience. I woke up one morning, and I looked out doors and the world was just very different to me, I couldn't go back to work yet. But anyhow, I looked out the window and everything was vibrant, it was electrical, it was like there was energy, the pine needles, the sky, everything was vibrant. For some reason, I looked around the room that I was in, my bedroom. And I was looking at all of the art that I had there, plus I had lots of other things. And I just had this epiphany that, you know, I almost died and I spent my whole life just acquiring all these assets and almost died. And so my kids would get part of it, most of it would be auctioned off or thrown away. And I realized that, you know, my life, that I didn't really own these things. They owned my soul because I owned them. So I had to take care of them. I had to provide, and the environment, the home, all that stuff. And and in the end, I almost died and so what's the point in all of this? So anyhow, as I came through that I, I just had this feeling came over me that I didn't own any of this stuff. So I gave everything I had away except for what I could put in a couple of suitcases and an RV. And I didn't go back to work and the company that I owned, I turned it over to my employees and let them have it. And it was a fairly large company. But I didn't want to make my life about working anymore.

The main thing that went through my mind was, I knew that I almost died, because I went through all the processes. And when I recovered, I was different. I knew that this time, if I'm going to die again, I want to be able to be happy. I want to be able to look back on my life, not for anybody else, or for any rewards or anything but just look back on life and say, I was worth being here. I was a contributor, I did something good. And so I disengaged from everything in my life. And I spent about four years driving around the United States in an RV spending most of the time with my kids, grandkids and in national parks. And I spent a lot of time alone. So I ended up down in Key Largo, Florida. One night I felt like was nature talking to me, I was looking over the bay. And here's some manatees hosing them down a bit and playing them for fun. But anyhow, I was standing there and watching the sunset over the bay, over the gulf, I just had this feeling that I had to go do something. So I went into the RV and I wrote on a piece of paper, become an opposite charge. And I didn't have any idea what that meant.

An opposite charged me would be no gotten. Stir up the troops charge everybody up, get them excited, get them moving. And then the second thing I wrote down is status quo was the enemy. And again, I didn't really understand that other than, you know, change. So I didn't think too much about that. And I just kind of put that away. I just had this feeling and I had to get back West. So I unplugged, loaded everything up, stop to see a couple of my daughters on the way and I ended up back in California. And I started driving around, I was looking for a place that I could just settle. And I didn't feel comfortable. So I went to Tucson, that wasn't right. So that night I was driving in the afternoon, I was driving up to Flagstaff because that's more like Motanna where I come from. And on the way I stopped in Sedona, Arizona, and I pulled into an RV park late at night, couldn't see what was going on. Just pulled into a space and park. Woke up in the morning and I looked outdoors and I said, “Well, I'm not leaving here.” This is like living in a national park. And because of all the beauty and the energy and the feeling and it just felt good.

So I spent about two years there. And in that process I started doing, when I was a young kid, I did a lot of stage lighting and things like that, for fun. So I started doing some lighting and for all the galleries in Sedona and Scottsdale. I would just go in and help them light up their shows. And in many cases you would have to redo their circuits or move the lighting around. So that kept me busy. But one day I was working on my computer and it kept crashing. This is back in 98, 97. And I knew that it was from static electricity. So I went in fix the outlet. So it was grounded. Then I put a piece of conductive tape across my desk and connected it to the ground. And so whenever I would touch the computer, I would touch that first. So I wouldn't have a static charge on my computer.

After I resolved that I was just finishing up a job, and so I went out doors, and I sat down on a bench and an RV full of tourists pulled up. I was at an art gallery area where I was fixing some stuff. And I just sat there and I looked at them and they were getting off the bus. Everybody was wearing these white tennis shoes, athletic shoes. I don't know whether they're Nike or Reebok or whatever. I think they were Nike. But anyhow, I just intuitively asked the question. I wonder if humans no longer being naturally grounded, it could be affecting us. I mean, affecting how we feel our affecting us. I didn't know. So that night I went home and I got a meter and I grounded it to the earth. I walk indoors and put a patch on, just started going around the house and I noticed all of the elevated EMF charges on my body, and then I started to measure the static electricity, which is more DC and the huge static electricity that builds up and that every time you take a step, you're creating a static, if you're wearing shoes, rubber soled shoes, and you're walking on a carpet or a vinyl or some kind of flooring. Then every time you pick up your feet, there's contact separate. I mean there's separation of electrons, so you're creating charge on the body. If you do a lot of it, then you'll get the little shock when you go touch a doorknob, but forever in a home you are you have static electricity build upon your body. And in many cases, you have high levels of these electric charges, electric field charges on the body. That night, I said, “Okay, it’s getting late, I needed to go to bed.” So I laid some metal duct tape that I bought earlier in the day. And I laid it across my bed, connected an alligator clip to it through a round wire out the window, connected into a ground rod through a second wire out the window and connected the electric meter to a little separate ground rod. And then I measured them together and I knew that the tape was grounded because the meters went to near zero. So then I laid down. I measured the body voltage and all that stuff on my body. And then I laid down on the tape. And as long as I laid flat on it, and I saw the body voltage dropped to zero. But the most important thing that happened that night was that I laid down on the bed normally for me to go to sleep, I had to take Advil, because I had a lot of pain I was a cowboy, I'm a skier, I played tennis, I've done everything and back at that time I was in my early 50s. I'm pretty tough shape. But I had to go to sleep, I had a lot of pains and a lot of issues, so I take Advil to go to sleep.

That night, I was laying on the tape, I had the voltage meter lying on my stomach and I was measuring the voltages. I just kind of laid it on my chest. And the next thing I knew it was morning, and the voltmeter was laying down beside me. And I stayed flat all night long. I was excellently grounded for the first time in my life. And I woke up and I said, “Wow, there's something to this, I need to learn more about this.” So I started to look around a little bit on the internet, which is really difficult back in 98 to 99, there just wasn't a lot of data. So I went down to the university in Arizona and I went to their medical libraries looking for anything I could find on grounding. The only literature on grounding had to do with, if you know if you're going to perform surgery, and then the patients need to be grounded. And in many cases, the surgeons have to be grounded in order to prevent static sparks. Because if they cut the skin and there's a static spark, it can trigger a heart event. So that made some sense. But anyhow, I couldn't find anything about grounding for help – Grounding for to reduce static electricity, to protect chips, to protect computers, to protect software, to protect against gasoline events, fireworks, all of those things. Grounding is a huge industry.

It's a multi billion dollar industry in the commercial area and it's 100 years old. I mean, ever since dynamite and gasoline, people have to wear grounded shoes. They have to be grounded and everything has to be protected from that sparks. And then I went back to Sedona and I started grounding a few of my friends, a couple buddies that I hung out with a little bit. One of them had severe arthritis in his hand, and I didn't think anything about it. But I told him, “You gotta let me do this. And you got to experience and make sure I'm not crazy.” So I went to their homes, and I grounded them like they I grounded myself. And both of them said they had real results. First of all, it was a joke, it couldn't possibly be whatever. But the third day, the fellow who had arthritis, he says, “Do you think this could have any effect on arthritis?” I said, “I wouldn't have a clue.” And he said, “Well, my arthritis is coming down.” And so that piqued my interest. So I kept playing with it and playing with it. And then I recognize that, yes, this affects me, it affects my friends. So there's something here, but there's no information on it. And it wasn't till after we wrote the book, all of these people from around the world – from Germany and all of the Native American populations throughout North and South America. And all of these I mean, grounding, or barefoot was a known thing. But the science behind it did not exist. So the thing that happened, I want to make sure I'm on track here. But the thing that happened, as time went on, I came out to California and I went to UCLA. And I asked them and they said, you know, they pretty much told me that you know you're you're crazy. So anyhow, I took that, and I went and found me some researchers that were in the meeting there, and they helped me do a study. And then we saw that, yes, there's some dramatic effects going on here. Anecdotally, we could see it, then there needed to be some quantifiable studies, then we did the cortisol study and all the others ones. And I can kind of come back to that. But the real event that happened was in the late 50s, they invented plastics. And then by 1960, we had the plastic materials that we could create carpets with, we could create soles of shoes with. And so the whole world, this was a real benefit. Because now the poorest people around everybody, no matter who you are, you could afford shoes now. Because the leather soled shoes that we had before. Before 1960, this is an important thing. Before 1960, 90% of all visitors to a practitioner were for infectious disease, acute injury and childbirth, 10% for stress and whatever, today over 90% of all visits to a practitioner for a stress related health disorder. Meaning, it's about something's affecting the immune system sufficient that you can maintain health. And now we know that that's inflammation. Before 1960 when I was a kid, we had leather shoes that we had to wear to school, or go to church, and for weddings, or real special events. Other than that we were barefoot. And if we were going to church on Sunday, and it was raining, we carried our shoes in our hands, walk barefoot and when we got in the church would put the shoes on, we couldn't walk in the water or the rain with leather soled shoes, because that would ruin them. And they were expensive back then. That's the world I come from, now it may be different in the bigger cities and other populations of the world and in Europe. But everything was leather sold, which is a semiconductor. So even wearing a leather soled shoe, you're somewhat grounded. But when we invented the plastic soled shoe, then that's like putting a jacket around an electrical wire – it insulates. It insulates us from the earth.

Now, that takes us to what is ground? Ground is the earth itself has an electrical surface charge, you can't see it, you can't smell it, you can't taste it, but you can feel it. On the average, the earth, it will vary between midnight and 12 noon, at 12 noon, the electrical potential of the Earth is higher because the sun's hitting the earth directly. And it excites electrons on the surface. At night, everything calms down. It's quieter. But it has a 24 circadian profile that absent flows and so on. But you know, when human beings stand barefoot on the earth, the earth has a negative surface charge. And the word negative – a lot of people would know this word because in a battery, it has a negative side, it has a positive side. On a little battery one hand is positive, the other hand is negative. How batteries work is you store electrons on one side. And then if you connect to wire to the other side, than the electrons will travel from the negative side to the positive side. That's how batteries work, but the earth is a huge battery being charged by the sun. But it's has a negative surface charge of about 20 to 50 millivolts on the average. So there's a lot of free electrons stored on the surface of the earth that can move and reduce charge. Now go back to the cable industry, TV industry for a minute. The reason we connected everything to the earth, was so that a conductive cables, and everything electrical could be held at earth potential – meaning as soon as we connect them to the earth, the cable system, then it goes negative 20 to 50 millivolts, the surface wires. So if there's any charge or static, they're automatically absorbed by electrons coming from the earth, up on the wire and neutralizing charge.

28:54 Ashley James: So when the cable wires which we've seen they're up by the telephone wires, in these poles, are they collecting a charge because they're having the sun beat down on them, because they're in the positively charged environment of above ground? Like what's charging them?

29:20 Clint Ober: It's mostly wind.

29:22 Ashley James: Oh, interesting. So the wind is carrying the positive charge?

29:26 Clint Ober: It’s the friction of the wind hitting the cable, and then you have the atmospheric charges. If a cloud passes over, then it's going to have a pull on the electrons on the earth and kind of well up. Temperature, wind, dust, all of the pollution, all of these things, but it really comes back to wind. Wind is the primary thing because the wind is constantly blowing and there's a lot of friction being created between the wind. And the air and the atmosphere is positively charged.


30:14  Ashley James: So the reason why I asked that question is to compare our bodies to those cables. If those cables, which are just standing like they're staying in one spot, can collect a positive charge, then what happens to us we're moving around, we’re out in the wind, we're at our desks in front of electronics, and we're not grounded, we're insulated. Our entire life has become insulated, as you pointed out starting in the 50s. Because we are wearing our Nike rubber soled shoes or whatever, a Reebok rubber soled shoes, and all of our shoes now have that rubber. And we barely ever touched the ground with our bare feet or our bare hands, very few people do. In fact, I had a guest say, “You know, if it wasn't for the fact that we had to wash our hands with the faucet, we would probably all die because we accidentally ground ourselves at least once a day by touching the faucet.”

31:13  Clint Ober: Yes. And that's very true. For instance, most of the diagnosed autoimmune disorders, which we know are related to this are female. Men have a lesser amount, but men live in different environments. They golf, they work on cars, they are outdoors, they do the lawn, they do various things, they accidentally, incidentally get grounded.

31:41 Ashley James: Oh, I see.

31:42 Clint Ober: Women get up in the morning, they're on a carpet, go take a shower, they do get a little ground there in many cases, then they put on, a lot of times you have clothes that has poly in it and put on shoes, then you walk on carpet or indoor insulated type of flooring. And then in many cases, they're handling vacuums, and hair dryers and all of these things. And then when they go to work, they get in, they walk to the car in insulated shoes, drive the car to work, get out of the car, go sit in an office that they are totally ungrounded in static or whatever, sitting in front of computers over the electric fields in the static electricity, and their bodies are just totally electrified.

32:30 Ashley James: You mentioned DC charge, that static electricity builds up inside us, all the electrons have built up inside us. These free electrons, which are free radicals, it's causing free radical damage, right? That they're built up inside us, like a DC battery, on the Earthing Movie, it was mentioned that someone could have up to 20 volts stored inside them because they don't ground.

33:03 Clint Ober: Voltage is a measurement between two points, the electrical potential between two points. Like the Earth would be zero and your electric lights would be 120 volts. So what they're talking about in many cases, let me explain something first. The body when it's grounded to the earth, it's identical to a cable, or a TV tower or your refrigerator or your computer, if it hasn't grounded. For instance, your refrigerator is grounded, the metal housing on the refrigerator is grounded. So it's identical to earth potential, I mean, it has the same amount of electrons per square inch, as the earth itself does. And the reason that you ground that to earth so if there's no electrical event, you know, broken wire or anything ever happens, that refrigerator is grounded, so the human being will not get shot. So the electrons from the earth, switch up the wire and the breaker gets blown. That's the safety side of it. But what happens to a body, how does a body get voltage? If a human being is standing in their living room or laying on their bed, and they are grounded, then their body is an antenna for electric fields, and electric fields radiate from all electrical devices. These are lamps, some computers, if they're not grounded computers, TV sets. But electrical wires – anytime you see a lamp or an electrical wire anywhere, it is radiating an electric field. The only way you can remove an electric field or prevent an electric field is to unplug the lamp. But if you are in the proximity, or close to it, the closer you are to the electrical cord, then that electric field is being radiated from that wire. It creates a charge on your body. And you can take an AC voltmeter, you can connect it to the earth on one side. And then you can put an electrode patch or anything on the body with the other side of the voltage meter and it will measure the AC charge that is on your body. And you can walk close to a lamp, it will increase. You can walk further away, it will decrease. You can stand barefoot on the grass or on a grounded device, and it will go to zero because the pad is at earth potential. When your body stands on the earth or the mat, then the electrons from the earth come up the wire, the negative free electrons on the earth, they come up the wire, they bring pad to earth potential, then anything that touches that pad, if it’s a human body then the human body is going to equalize with the earth. You will maintain the same negative charge as the earth. And what that means is there's an abundance of free electrons on the body that are able to move and reduce charge. Does that make sense?

36:24 Ashley James: Uh-huh.

36:29 Clint Ober: Okay, so over a period of 60 years, we started wearing rubber soled shoes. And there's an exponential curve that is still climbing. It was about 2010, 2011 when we had about 90% of the shoes sold in America were plastic soles. Back in 1960 10% were plastic soled shoes. So we've had this complete reversal of leather soled shoes versus synthetic soled shoes. But if you look in the book, The Earthing book, there are charts that show the growth of,for instance, rubber soled shoes over a 58 year period. And here's the growth of autism, lupus, MS, diabetes, and so on, and so on, and so on. So, now in the early days, when we started investigating all of this, we did not understand what the mechanism was. How could grounding the body reduce pain? That's the only thing we knew at that time. And this was back in, I think in 2001. I was at a conference in California, trying to talk to people that might know something. And we ran across Dr. Stephen Sinatra who was a cardiologist and I started talking to him. Because cardiologists deal with electrical, they know the body's electrical first chemical second. But no one else did at that time. And more importantly, Stephen said, “Clint, if you are affecting people's pain, then you need to be looking at inflammation. Because pain is a byproduct of inflammation.” You have to have inflammation first before you can have pain. So that's, I went home scratching my head, because inflammation to me was, I was playing tennis, and I slipped and twisted my ankle, and it was who would swell up, it got red and heat. So that was inflammation. That was what I knew. But along the way, we began to learn. And we kept doing studies, and we began to learn that when we ground the body, it would reduce the pain. And then we went on and did some tests on hormones, especially cortisol. We wanted to know if it calms the body when you ground. So we needed to understand that. So we did a study on cortisol, we would measure cortisol every four hours for 24 hours, and ground them for a few weeks, and then do it again. And it's just dramatic – the change, the shift, because before their circadian cortisol profiles were all over the place. And then after grounding for a few weeks, they all synchronized. And these people lived in different parts of southern California. So we knew it was connected to earth rhythms and so on. So we learned about cortisol, and I'd like to come back to that later. Then I started investigating inflammation and then I learned one day that neutrophils, macrophages and many of these white blood cells, what they do is – how the immune system functions, is if you have a damaged cell, or pathogen in your body, then it sends over one of these white blood cells, which have many different many purposes, but they encapsulate the damaged cell or the pathogen, and they release reactive oxygen species. As soon as I saw the word reactive, then I knew that this is an electrical process.

40:46 Ashley James: That's so fascinating.

40:50 Clint Ober: So it was an accident.

40:51 Ashley James: So just to illustrate for the listeners, a white blood cell, it needs to attack a pathogen, or maybe the white blood cells need to digest a, like a cancer cell or a cell that's damaged. And it comes along the white blood cell encapsulates the cell, and then it releases reactive protein, which what it's actually doing is releasing free radicals, it's releasing lose electrons, that magnetically tear apart that cell, so then the white blood cell can continue to digest it, is that correct?

41:28 Clint Ober: Right. That's how the immune system destroys pathogens, and damaged cells – by stealing electrons from their structure and killing them.

41:36 Ashley James: Uhm-hmm. And if we have too much of that, so the inflammation comes in, when we have too much of that going on and we have too much of a buildup of these electrons in our body because we don't ground, then they start to attack. The electrons start to attack the healthy tissue creating more inflammation.

41:55 Clint Ober: Yup. What we have to do is go backwards now. In 1960, before then we were all semi grounded, or we spent a lot of time grounded. People who didn't spend any time – you know, there's a few of those. But these autoimmune diseases, inflammation related health disorders started to climb in around 1960, late 50s, and the 60s. So when the body is grounded, it has ground, earth potential – ground potential. What it has is a reservoir of free electrons, the body is negatively charged. So those free electrons are not just on the surface of body, they're in the body, they're everywhere. They don't have free range. I mean the body gates – everything in and out and all that kind of stuff. But basically, when we did our grounding studies, it was like 2008 or 2010 when I met with Stephen Sinatra back in Essex, Connecticut, and there were about a dozen doctors got together. And we're all trying to figure this out. So what we did is they drew blood from everybody and looked at the blood under a microscope, then grounded everybody for 30 to 40 minutes and looked at their blood again. And what we saw was a complete separation, automatic, perfect profile of the blood after they were grounded. But before there was real low formation, like static electricity, and peanuts, you know, the blood was all stuck together. When it’s stuck together like that, can’t get in and out of the capillary, so soon as you ground and the blood can get in and out of the capillaries, then everybody's face started to pink up and so on. As soon as you ground the body, then the red blood cells, we found out through further experiment, that the negative surface charge on red blood cells increases by a factor of almost three. So now the red blood cells being more negative, they can't stick together, and they repel each other. That's how nature maintains normal blood viscosity, the thickness of blood. But more importantly, is as the blood circulates throughout the body, and the negative surface – so if you have negative increase negative surface charge on red blood cells, you have increased negative surface charge on every cell in the body. So now when the white blood cells come over and release reactive oxygen, and destroy a cell, if there's any remaining radicals – free radicals, then the blood can give up an electron here, there or adjacent cells, there's plenty of ground free electrons on the cells in that area that can absorb and reduce and prevent, the blood can give up an electron to a free radical which prevents damaging the blood or damaging the cell.

So by grounding the body, in the past, the immune system was dependent on us maintaining a negative charge. A quick side note is if you look at the animals who live in the wild, the elk, deer, coyotes, all the animals that live out there, cancer doesn't exist out there. They don't have plaque on their arteries, they don't have plaque on their teeth, they don't need to go to the emergency room, when they get hurt, they can just go find a piece of ground bury themselves in they heal up. But the animals who live indoors with their owners, they all manifest autoimmune diseases, just like their owners. And they have a death rate of approximately 50% from cancer – indoor, domesticated animals. Now a lot of people could say, well, it's the food, it's this, it's that and so on. But the simple corollary is, the animals in the wild are naturally grounded 24/7. They can't have inflammation in their bodies.

46:14 Ashley James: And what fascinated me was  the understanding of how the immune system works, like you said, how the white blood cells work to attack and digest pathogens or damaged cells. To destroy them, they use the free radical charge.

46:15 Clint Ober: Yes.

46:16: Ashley James: And if we have too much of a buildup of that charge, then it attacks the healthy cells, and then we get inflammation because now the body is having to clean up the damage from these free radicals running through our body. And my listeners have heard about free radicals. We talked about how when you consume rancid oil or if you eat anything that's fried food, it's proven. I had Dr. Joel Fuhrman on my show, and his latest book, which is called Fast Food Genocide, he talks about the studies where they proven that if you consume fried food on a regular basis, like once a week is a regular basis, that you have cut 10 years or more off your life. So that's free radical damage from eating fried, like fries once a week. Let's say you go out and have some fish and chips once a week, meant you're now going to die in your 60s instead of in your 70s or 80s from that one choice. That's how bad free radical damage is from fried foods. And we think about free radicals as in, we can get them from our food and we need to consume antioxidants, which is all the fruits and vegetables to neutralize those free radicals. But no one thinks that we need to ground ourselves to release the free radicals because the free radicals are just these lose electrons, right?

48:07 Clint Ober: Let me try to straighten this out a little bit. If the body is grounded, then it is negatively charged, and you can't have inflammation in the body when it is grounded. Pathogens I mean, free radicals, every time you take a breath, you're breathing in all kinds of particulates. And they create problems in the lungs and the immune system has to clean all that up. If you have asthma, you know it for sure. But even when you're healthy, when you're breathing bad air, you're breathing in radicals. And so the water – it's definitely food and all these issues that are going on in our environment. But what grounding is all about, is when you ground to the earth and your body is negatively charged, then our working hypothesis is and that's what we've kind of proved, is if you get grounded and stay grounded 24 hours a day, and you saw the movie. And you saw a lady with MS. I told her, “I can help you. But you got to do this, you got to ground 24 hours a day and stay grounded until you get well.” And you saw her story I believe so. Anyhow, if you get grounded and stay grounded 24/7 here's what happens to the immune system. If you're ungrounded the immune system, you have the build up of these radicals, whatever source they’re coming from; food, all of it, and from metabolism, just the body itself creates a lot of radicals.

So when you're grounded, the immune system provides free electrons everywhere in your body all over the place. Okay, radicals that are produced, or reduced – radicals from a white blood cell, it produces reactive oxygen in order to reduce and tear apart that pathogen. Where inflammation comes from primarily, is if there's any remaining radicals, they don't build up. They will only last for 10, 20 nanoseconds, at the very most. They're going to reach and grab and steal an electron from something in the vicinity. And the only real thing in the vicinity is another cell, another normal cell in the body. So they reach over and attach to and grab an electron from a healthy cell and damage it. And so that neutralizes those radicals. But in the meantime, now we've damaged another cell. So metaphorically, a message goes out to the immune system, “Hey, something has got me. It’s still here.” And so it sends another neutrophils and neutrophils, if that cell can’t be repaired, depending on the damage, then it destroys that cell. So then if there's any reactive oxygen left from it 10, 20 nanoseconds later, it's going to steal it from another cell. And so that's like burning along. That's oxidation. So the immune system is oxidizing healthy tissue. You're not storing free radicals, what you're doing is you're building up free radical damage. So now the immune system rather than do what it would normally do, like take care of the pathogens from breathing, or water or, or food or some of these other things, and you can overwhelm the immune system with any of them. But let's just say in a normal situation. So now the immune system can't fight things that it would normally do during the day, it has to go and spend all this energy and resources, trying to manage the free radical damage and to stop the burn. But it’s creating more burn as it's trying to fix it. And so it's stressing the immune system sufficient that the body can't maintain health.

52:32 Ashley James: And then doctors say under a microscope, “Why is it the immune system is attacking supposedly healthy tissue? This must be an autoimmune disease.” When pathologist look, pathologists are like, “Well, there was nothing wrong with the thyroid, why is the body constantly attacking the thyroid?” for example. And what you're saying is that it is this chain reaction that we we're not grounded. It's a chain reaction, that's happening at the size of an electron, the size of an oxygen molecule. And so of course, a pathologist with a regular microscope can't see that that supposedly healthy tissue was damaged. Because of the immune system could not do what it's supposed to do, because they're that we're not grounded. So we need to ground ourselves constantly as much as possible need to. It's not just go out once a day and walk barefoot for five minutes, it's all day long. We need to ground ourselves so that we are at earth's potential which is releasing all that positive charge so the white blood cells can do their job, because otherwise the white blood cells end up damaging the body in the process of trying to do their jobs.

53:57 Clint Ober: Yes, collateral damage.

54:00 Ashley James: So autoimmune disease is collateral damage of not grounding ourselves throughout the day?

54:06 Clint Ober: All autoimmune diseases are related to a dysfunction immune system because the immune system is oxidizing healthy tissue.

54:13 Ashley James: Have you seen people cure their own autoimmune disease by grounding themselves throughout the day?

54:20 Clint Ober: Thousands.

54:22 Ashley James: This is why I said at the beginning that this interview is going to be the most important interview that everyone's listened to. I've done so many interviews and such great information, but my goal has been to help people get to the root cause.

54:39 Clint Ober: Right.

54:40 Ashley James: And this is the root cause.

54:41 Clint Ober: It's ground meaning it's its base, it's at the very foundation of health. You have to have this throughout all the time. The human body was grounded like the animals are in the wild now. And autoimmune disease was not the problem, infectious disease, acute injury, childbirth, war and famine and so on. But environmental inflammation related health disorders, autoimmune diseases are 100% I believe, related to loss of ground. The body has lost its electrical ground, it lost its ability to neutralize positive charges. In this case, reactive oxygen species. Now you can drink a glass of water, it's going to help and if it's more negatively charged is going to help. But you can't drink water all day long. Every day all day long. There's not enough free electrons and a glass of water. Blueberries, certain types of berries are much more beneficial than others, but you would have to have a blueberry drip.

55:54 Ashley James: My husband would agree with you. He eats two pounds of blueberries a day. It's his favorite food.

56:00 Clint Ober: Exactly. It's really, really simple and that's what's complicated about this, because the body is electrical first – everything in the body functions electrically, then chemically. You have to take an electron from here to there in order to create energy, life. That's how we know when a person is dead, because they have no more electrical potential. I mean they've lost their electrical capacity. So how do I Where do I go from here?

56:40 Ashley James: Well you just bring up a really good point. If we go to a cardiologist they're going to read the electrical, they hook us up to the EKG or these other machines that will read the electrical signals from our body, we have to remember that every part of our nervous system has electrical potential, has an electrical charge that in between each synaptic gap in the nervous system. We keep thinking we're a bunch of chemicals but beneath that, it's actually electrical information that is happening in the body as well. We're bio electrical beings. And when I think about it, think about a machine where the electronics are not grounded like a computer that it's getting static, your TV gets staticky, it crashes, the hard drive burns out, it doesn't work correctly. And that's just a machine, which is an electrical being. It's a machine that's not grounded, it can't function. And now we look at us, a significantly more complex being because we're bio electrical beings and when we're not grounded, the circuitry is blowing out.

58:00 Clint Ober: Right. But you also have to recognize that every cell in the body functions electrically. You have an electrical surface charge on the cell and an internal electrical circuit charge, and how it takes information or nutrients in and takes other things out is through repolarization. So anytime there's a difference of a few bolts on a on a cell, then they'll depolarized, repolarize – so everything is electrical first. The body is the most electrical thing in the environment. There's nothing on earth that’s more electrical than a human body.

58:41 Ashley James: I want to talk about some of the studies that you have participated in, because where we left off on your journey was that you had gone to universities and they kind of threw you out, laughed you out at the university. And since then you have conducted 24 peer reviewed studies that are monumental. In the earthing movie they talked about one study where they hooked preemie babies up to basically becoming grounded. They grounded these preemie babies in the NICU in their little oxygen tents. And and they had outstanding results. Can you share the results from that study?

59:24 Clint Ober: Yeah. Basically, babies in these ICU units – they’re ungrounded and their little bodies and nervous systems are all electrically charged. And there's a lot of EMF around, but there's a lot of static electricity because they're in plastic things, and there's people coming in touching them. So anyhow, I think there were 24 preemies and these were babies that were prematurely born by some number. These studies are all available on www.earthinginstitute.net for detail. But just to give you a general concept, what they did is they put a simple electrode patch on the babies, and grounded them to the earth via the electrical ground, and the babies, they're totally stressed. Their heart rate variability is really significantly challenged. And you know, they're they're just in this wired state, and it causes all of the cholics and a lot of the problems that these babies experience. So what they did, when they grounded them, then they measured everything, of course. And what they found was that there was a, you know, like a 60 70% increase in normalization of vagal tone. And vagal tone is the calmness of your balance of the parasympathetic versus sympathetic normalizing and normalizing heart rate variability, then the babies would calm down, circulation would normalize, and all of these things. and it was universal across the board. And so that was the first study. And that was done, I think, at the Hershey Children's Clinic in Hershey, Pennsylvania, University of Pennsylvania. So that was a really, really good study, because here we find that grounding normalizes and vagal tone. What that means is, you have a parasympathetic nervous system, you have a sympathetic. The sympathetic nervous system responds to anything in the environment – noise, wind, cold, somebody breaks something, just whatever, or stress, you know, whatever is going on. So the sympathetic is on one side of the body pushing, and it's like a fight or flight mechanism. If you see there's a bear in the woods, so cortisol spikes.

In the beginning, that's not a problem. But as time goes, on the parasympathetic, it's releasing hormones to modulate the response of the sympathetic so that you will stand still for a split second to determine if you really need to run or if you're really need to fight, and that calms down the response. But eventually, if you live in a chronically elevated sympathetic state, that means you got noise, everything chaos going around you in your life all the time, then what happens is, the parasympathetic has limited resources. So it's going to run out of hormones, and whatever, and then all of a sudden, the sympathetic will start over driving. And that's when you get this, what's going on with these babies, I mean, this challenge, I mean their bodies are just screaming. And it's the same with adults, I mean, people who are wired, and take a look at our kids, especially in classrooms, they're wired, they're just jumping in their skin. So by normalizing vagal tone, what you're doing is, to me, you're giving the body itself a reference. It's connected to the earth, it's got a reference. So the inflammation that is created by the sympathetic over responding, the negative surface charge of the earth, the negative electrons come into the body, then they're reducing the positive charges in the body, and that calms down the system, and then the parasympathetic can recover or begin to recover. And for people who have chronic fatigue, adrenal burnout, all of these issues, this is what it's about.

So here we have a, you know, a class A study showing that just simple grounding puts out the fire of inflammation, calms the nervous system, and stabilizes the heart rate variability. That's powerful. And now we just have to convince people that babies and adults and children are all the same. Their nervous systems are all the same. So if a child in school gets up in the morning, puts his tennis shoes on, and then he spends his whole day insulated from the earth, that's why we have a lot of this high anxiety, and irritability and chaos.

1:04:53 Ashley James: I'm just seeing it with our four year old son. We don't feed him sugar, we don't overstimulate him with TV or anything like that. And yet, and he hasn't had any trauma in his childhood. He's just average healthy, happy, but he, he hasn't been grounded a lot, you know, we always put his shoes on, and maybe once in a while he'll play barefoot. In fact, when we're outside, he usually throws his shoes off. It's just his instinct to do so, which is great. He knows he knows to ground himself. But just putting him on the grounding mat to sleep on, and it couldn't have been placebo. He didn't know he was on it. He was asleep by the time we put him on it. And he started to sleep in, you know, two hours more than he normally does. So we get him to bed by seven, he usually wakes up at 6:30 or seven, and he's been sleeping until nine. So his nervous system just went, ah (sigh), and relaxed, because he was grounded from using your grounding that while he was sleeping.

1:06:08 Clint Ober: Right. That's that's what it's all about. These kids need lots of sleep.

1:06:12 Ashley James: Yeah, they do. They do. Absolutely. So tell us about those people that you said that were in different parts of California that all had cortisol issues, that were all under stress. And that you said within a matter of weeks that they begin to connect to the earth's rhythm.

1:06:32 Clint Ober: Yes, what we found and again, it was really interesting. No, this isn't brand new, people in the communications industry knew this. Back in the early days of before telephone when we had Western Union, those kind of ground wires. So they had to know different times of the day, they could only send messages because the sun affected the signals. If there was no sun, then you're not going to get a telegraph message, and so on. And so on, we knew that the electrical potential of the earth, from the communication industry plays a big role in everything, traveling on the surface of the earth. So what we did is we took a handful of people, I think there were eight or nine people in the study. This was done by an anesthesiologist, and what we did is he measured their cortisol every four hours, for 24 hours; 8pm, midnight, 4am 8am, noon, and 4pm. Now in the book, these charts exist there, and they're also on the institute under the cortisol study. But anyhow, if you look at it, the first chart looks like spaghetti. I kind of knew these people not personally, but by age, the younger people were high stress and they had elevated cortisol. And the older ladies had low cortisol exhausted adrenals. But to look at them as a group, they did have a peak coming in around 4am and peaking at 8am, and then dropped off. But as soon as we grounded them, they all synchronized and they're all identical on a tight little band, and they all kind of went to normal. And when I say normal, what that means is at 4am, first of all, if you're not sleeping at night, if you're there's only one reason I believe that people can't sleep, they have elevated cortisol. Because cortisol is a fight or flight hormone it's not, it's not going to let you sleep, because you're worried about a child, bill, work problem I whatever life issue that's causing you stress, and causing you to think about or worry, or whatever. And that's causing the body to secrete cortisol. And it's really hard for the body to go to sleep as long as the cortisol is elevated. Sleep is autonomic, but you cannot sleep if there's a bear in the woods. So anyhow, what we saw first of all, was the cortisol normalized between 8am and 4am, where before it was kind of spaghetti. And then at 4am, we saw the cortisol rise from, I can't use the word milligrams here. But anyhow, to give you an example. They, they rose from let’s just five milligrams, all the way up to 50 milligrams, or about 40 milligrams at 8am. So you have this at 4am, then the body starts producing lots of cortisol. And that cortisol is to create the energy that you're going to need to get out of bed. A lot of people will have heart attacks, because of low cortisol in the morning, morning heart attacks. So anyhow, the main thing that we saw was one, the cortisol circadian profiles, the daily profiles synchronized amongst this group of primarily women. But more importantly, in the original study, three of them, they were outliers, and we couldn't figure out why because their cortisol would peak, I mean start climbing at one in the morning, and so they couldn't sleep. What we found was these were stewardesses. These were three stewardesses that were based in New York, but they spent half their time in San Diego. So they were on the nonstop flight San Diego. But the majority of their time they lived in New York. So when they come to San Diego, and their circadian cortisol rhythms are off three hours. So that's what you call jet lag. So what we learned is one, jet lag is real. But more importantly, what we learned was if you go stand on the earth for 15 minutes, after you fly from East Coast to West Coast, or vice versa, you stand on the earth for 15 minutes, it resets, or your ground – it resets your circadian cortisol rhythms.

1:12:00 Ashley James: Oh my gosh, that is so amazing. When I was 16, I flew with my parents from Toronto to Honolulu, Hawaii. And the first thing I did, you can imagine that was a long day of flying, but it was like the middle of the night for me. And the first thing I did at the airport was kick off my shoes and stand in the grass. I just had to, it was like a calling. And I didn't have any jet lag that entire trip.

1:12:28 Clint Ober: Your body knows what to do you listen. We'd get out of our own way.

1:12:33 Ashley James: Yes. That is so cool. Well, my husband, when he first got into this, he had built our own mat and it was a really big pain in the butt. And so I can I can tell people that yeah, you could go out and buy all the materials and try to make your own but I don't recommend it. It was a big pain in the butt and the thing fell apart. And it was kind of expensive for how not professional it was, but that your mats, I am in love with. They're very low profile, you don't even notice like you're sleeping on them right now, my feet are on the one in the office one. But when we're lying on the one on our mattress, it's not bulky. I I really feel it, it's just, you know, people might say it's a placebo, but there is a difference. So my husband, the plug is on his side. And because it's plugged into the ground, and you have a device that comes with the kit that you test the electrical outlet to make sure that it's safe. And that it's it is in fact a safe ground. I want to talk about that next. But I can tell when it's not plugged in and when it is plugged in. So he'll do like it's just been a little bit of an experiment, but he had it plugged in. And then he had it unplugged. And then he had it plugged in again, over the course of a few days. And I noticed a difference. So I didn't know when he had it plugged in and when he didn't, but I could lie on the bed and I could feel whether or not we the grounding mat was plugged into the ground or not.

I do have some questions about this. So we did try, put a wire out the window into the ground. And not everyone can do that, because a lot of people live in condos. And you know, that's kind of a pain in the butt, because you have to figure out how to get around your screen on your window. I like your system much better. It's cleaner, it's low profile, you just plug it right into the ground. I appreciate that. But I do have a question about electromagnetic fields. So if an outlet is there beside your bed, isn't giving off an electromagnetic field. And when you're plugging into the ground, would that also bring the electromagnetic field of the outlet onto the grounding mat?

1:15:12 Clint Ober: Well, the EMF industry, that's their big story from an electrical point of view. And the reason we ground everything in the communications industry, and ground all of our equipment and put up shielding to prevent all this stuff. But basically what happens is, when you are grounded to the earth, the earth is infinitely large, bodies infinitely small, relatively speaking. But when you're at earth potential, you have the resources of the entire earth to hold your body at earth potential. If you are grounded, then you are antenna for electric field charges.

1:16:02 Ashley: Because the atmosphere is positively charged?

1:16:06 Clint Ober: No. We're talking about electric field, static electricity is different. When you're grounded, it dissipates static electricity. I mean, that's the industry. I mean, that's a huge industry. Now electric fields, EMFs. You have an electric field and a magnetic field, magnetic fields you or nobody else can do anything about whatsoever. Because they go through bricks, they go through everything, you can't shield them, you can with new metal, but nobody could afford it. So magnetic fields are not the problem, we have done enough work that we know that the active agent with EMFs is electric, the electric field. And the electric field is kind of like the bear on the wood. I mean, the bear is radiating an electric field. You have an electric field, the bear has been electric field. This is a fact. And when you sense his field, then it's going to fire your sympathetic nervous system and your cortisol is going to spike. And you're going to run or you're going to fight. So here's my take on all of it, I have a huge background in all of this. And it's really hard to teach everybody electromagnetism or the basics of electromagnetism. But the reason everything is grounded is to prevent electromagnetic interference. That's the real term here. So what we're trying to do is prevent electromagnetic interference in the body. And how does an electric field create interference in the body? First of all, you have to know where they come from. Everybody is worried about what they can see, they can see a lamp, they can see an electrical outlet, they can see a cord. But what they can't see is when your house was built, before the wallboard went up, all of the studs and everything were put in place, then an electrician came in with a drill. And he drilled all the holes going across the timbers at waist high to an electrician. If he's short, it's a little lower if he is tall, they're a little higher. And then he ran all the wires through those holes up and down to the outlets to the switches to the ceiling, whatever, and around the whole house. So then, if you see a house before they put the wall board up, you'll know and recognize that it's a cage wire. There's electrical wires running everywhere. But that isn't so much the problem, it is a problem. But that isn't so much of the problem. The problem is, now they put the wallboard up, and the carpets down, and they bring in the mattress and the box spring. And they bring in the nightstands and the lamps and whatever else. So you would think that the lamps probably is the biggest problem. But in fact – I hate to tell people these things, because if I don't like to tell people something they can't do anything about. And that's what the state of California Health Sciences told me, they said do not go out and bother these people and tell them that they have a problem unless you got a solution. And the solution has to be no cost or low cost. And that's another little story here for me to tell. That's why these products are low cost and, and why I preach barefoot, it's no cost. But anyhow, I'll go ahead and I brought it up, so I have to finish it. But anyhow, so you put your mattress up against the wall, then you put your pillow up at the end of your mattress, then you go to bed and and everything's beautiful and whatever. But there you are more affected by the electric fields radiating from the romacks in the wiring, at the head of your bed, because your head is within six inches of those electric fields. So the body at that point is an antenna. A lot of people say, “Oh, well, all you gotta do is ground the springs of the mattress.” Or, “You ground this, you do that.” That's crazy, the body is an electrical, it's every bit as much of an antenna as the springs in your mattress, or the lamp in the corner, or anything else. So the only thing you can do is turn off the electrical in your bedroom at night. There's no other option. And I hate to tell people that because it's expensive, most people can afford it most people can comply with things like that. So the only other option you have is to ground yourself and get rid of the antenna effect. Now, here's how electric fields affect people, they do not cause cancer, they do not do all of these things that a lot of these fear people are always talking about. What they do is the hair on your skin, on your arm in your head. It's really an electrical antenna. It can sense. It's like a bear in the woods. In the old days when there wasn't all this noise in our environment. If you were out in the woods, you could feel a bear, you couldn't see him, you couldn't smell and you couldn't hear him. But you could feel him, you knew he was there. And so what you did is you look for safety or your cortisol came up and you are prepared to run or fight.

Now then as soon as the problem went away, cortisol went back down, life was back to normal, everything was happy and good and you're grounded. So any inflammation that was created from that charge of cortisol is automatically dissipated, get the immune system in ground. So now today, we have the mailbox is a bear in the woods, the phone's a bear in the woods, a swimming child is a bear in the woods, the boss is a bear in the woods, the traffic is a bear in the woods. So our sympathetic nervous system, which is sensing all of these environmental things. And now we have this electric field that's radiating from these electrical appliances and devices and so on. And the hair on your arm can sense that. And it's holding your body in a chronically elevated sympathetic state, as is everything else in life. Wind can do the same thing, chronic noise, there's many things that can do the same thing. So if you're sleeping ungrounded and your body is an antenna, or you are in an environment where you're exposed to a lot of electric fields, and you are wearing rubber soled shoes, then when you're in a chronically elevated state, what you're doing is your body's pumping cortisol, your sympathetic or your parasympathetic which is operating on hormones, it becomes exhausted. So it can no longer function and maintain that normal state. So anxiety, irritability, and depression, come next, then comes diabetes and lupus, MS, et cetera cancer, heart disease, et cetera. Because our bodies are taxed, but electric fields themselves are not the problem.

1:24:06 Ashley James: It's not being grounded, that's the problem.

1:24:08 Clint Ober: It's not being grounded, because the human body throughout most of time, most of existence on this planet was grounded. The immune system had that resource to function and be the mop to clean up the excess free radicals or to prevent free radical damage to healthy cells. So that's my take on it. Now a lot of people say, Well, I gotta fix my electric fields. Well, I mean, that's maybe four or five or six on the list. It's probably your food, it's your toxic work environment, it's your toxic relationship, it's all these other things – not enough time sitting in the park, not enough time walking, not enough time waking up and becoming a little more conscious about our environment and nature and who we are, and how we relate to it, and that we're a part of it. And we have separated ourselves from it. But anyhow, one thing that's beautiful about it, is you put it back and you ground it and put it back in nature and you see some nice healthy food, do a little exercise, the body returns to normal, take the stress off the immune system, stop inflammation, take the stress off the immune system. The body only knows to do one thing – return to normal. And you have to remember, health is the body's most natural state.

If anybody's got anybody's got a health problem, then they're doing something or they're in an environment that their immune system is challenged and it can't maintain health. And it manifests differently. You know, it's like the fellows at  Rutger and those folks at Boston Massachusetts, when they came out with that article in 2004, cover of Time Magazine, and it showed the body on fire and it said inflammation. And what they're really saying is you don't have cancer, you don't have lupus, you don't have ALS, you don't have any of these diseases, what you have is chronic low grade inflammation. And as time goes on, the body becomes compromised. And then the body's going to try to save itself. But in the process, it has to give up something. Maybe I'm going a little bit too far here. But anyhow, disease manifests differently in different people based on their genetics, and based on their environment. And that means what you're breathing, eating and, and doing and hearing and whatever. But if you if your immune system is functioning perfectly like it in nature, like in the wild animals, then you couldn't have lupus, MS, you couldn't have these things. It's not possible.

1:27:04 Ashley James: I had a listener recently and shared that she went out to do some grounding. I think she lives near LA or in California. And she was really upset to have been poisoned basically by whatever they sprayed. Because I think she's at either a condo or an apartment complex. And so she doesn't have control over the grounds. But they sprayed some kind of chemical maybe to kill the insects. And she was walking barefoot and end up getting this big rash. And she was really upset because she thought that  her body's absorbed some toxin. And I was just last night chatting with a chiropractic friend of mine, a chiropractic doctor in Las Vegas. And I used to live in Las Vegas and many houses or condos, those grounds are sprayed with all kinds of chemicals. And so I was telling her, “Go do some grounding.” And she goes, “I don't know, where could I go, every park is sprayed.” Some people, like I can go in my backyard, I live in Washington State and I can go, there's lots of places I feel comfortable and safe going because I know there's no pesticides, but there are so many places, especially in the cities where we just don't know what's on that grass. And so we're not really sure that it is safe. Or in the winter time when there's snow, I'm also from Canada, originally, and so there's like six months of the year where we would not go barefoot outside. So I really like the low cost solution you created, which is the grounding mats for when we're at our desks, for when we're sleeping, that allows us to ground you eight hours a night at our on our bed and all throughout the day at our desks. And then if we can go outside in nature, which is obviously preferable if we can access a healthy patch of grass or ground that we know has not been sprayed, then that's good as well. But it's not something that we do once a week for five minutes and think that that's enough. Like I'm really getting that it's something we need to ground ourselves as much as possible. Dr. Joseph Mercola was on that documentary saying that 95% of the time he is grounded. And that just blew my mind that we really need to make an effort to ground ourselves all the time.

1:29:35 Clint Ober: Well, that's the issue. And I have to tell you a real short story here. When we were doing our research studies, I had to make ground planes, meaning pads and whatever to either put people on so we could measure them, things they could sleep on, and or electrode patches and things that we could use to do our measurements. And many of our subjects, they all begged and pleaded to keep the little devices that we had created. And then all of a sudden there is this, “Can I get one from my uncle?” “Can I get one for whatever people who had problems?” In the early days of all of this, I never had any intention whatsoever of going out and creating products. I had to have products in order to do the studies, or not products, but devices. And we manufactured those and we know begged and borrowed and figured out some things and how to do all of this. And so anyhow, but this business grew up, it was an accidental business. And as an absurd business, you have to try to reconnect because I mean, 60 years ago, we couldn't get off the earth. And today, we can't get back to the earth. Except for having a wire, or something of that nature. So and then this one, I remember the, like I said earlier about California Health Services and National Institute of Health Sciences, they all say the same thing. “Don't go out there and scare the people and don't go out and create trauma unless you have a solution that you can offer them.” And that's where I started, I said I will not talk to anybody, I will not do anything unless you go outdoors and go barefoot for a half hour or an hour and just experience this. And then if it helps you, if it has benefit for you, then do it another half hour and then do it more time and do it every day. And then if it's really important to you, then there are these devices that are beginning to surface and that we've been able to pull together that now work and now have some long life and longevity to them.

Going outdoors, first of all, anybody who could go, if you can go to the beach, if you can go and find a sandbox or build your own sandbox or do whatever, to spend some time grounded to the earth, it's just really, it's it's bigger than just reducing inflammation, it's the connection. When you are connected to the earth, when you are in contact with electrical contact with the earth, then you're connected to every living thing that's in contact on the earth, throughout the entire planet. You are electrically connected, because electrical operates speed of light. So it's important, when possible to find your place in nature, if you can find that. But on the other hand, if you're going to be exposed to all of this craziness in our living environments, whether it's static electricity, or whatever, then you need something, some mechanism to ground yourself in the home. So what we tried to do, and which we sold probably a million products that we never advertised, this was all word of mouth, and it went around the world. And now we're trying to figure it out, because there's so many people trying to get into the business and all this nonsense out there. But it does have to be safe. And that's number one in anything electrical and it has to be safe. So all of the products that we put out there are involved with, they have a built-in electrical resistance. So they are not a purely conductive, they're called a deceptive or a soft ground. That means electrons can move back and forth, slowly enough that there's no possibility of an electrical shock or a spark, or anything of that nature, anything uncomfortable. So that's number one. And then number two, it has to be functional, you have to be able to put it on the bed. And it has to be something that people can tolerate. And it has to have a life expectancy. For years we had the cotton sheets, they put silver yarns in them. In many cases, especially men, because they perspire and there's a lot of sulfur in their perspiration. It'll oxidize a silver in just a few days. Or women could sleep on them for months or years. And so we had to fix that problem. And that's why we ended up with the black carbon mats, because carbon is safe, clean, it will last, literally it could last forever, somebody would take care of it. So now what we have is a no cost, low cost, and that's what I deliver. It's free, it's free. Doing it yourself is okay if you're if you have an electrical background and know something about electrical. But do not just run out and start grounding wires and tying wires around people's toes. You have to have you have to be conscious of safety.

1:34:55 Ashley James: Absolutely. So this little white box with these three lights, red and two yellows, and it has a little instructions like what the lights mean. You plug that into your outlet and it tells you whether your outlet is a clean, healthy ground or whether it's undergrounded or whether it's a dangerous outlet. So tell us a bit about that. Because that's something that other people who try to copy what you've done, you're the founder, you're the original. You're the first. Right?

1:35:34 Clint Ober: Right. 20 years ago, for biological grounding. Yes.

1:35:40 Ashley James: Absolutely, biological grounding. I remember making computers with my husband and we knew to attach ourselves to something grounded while we were working with the electronics and my husband has been building computers since 94. And I feel very blessed to have his skills, the computer I'm currently using he built for me a few years ago and it's still holding up. So in terms of people who make electronics, they know to ground themselves or like you said doctors and patients in the OR have to ground themselves. But those are for different reasons. The reason we're talking about is so that we can release those electrons and beat become grounded, like we're meant to, we're returning to what we were less than 100 years ago. It's just hard to wrap my brain around it, less than 100 years ago. We were grounded almost all of the time. For the most part, right? Almost all of us were grounded all the time, and just to see the rise and all these chronic diseases take place at the same time as us becoming less and less grounded. It's just no wonder between becoming ungrounded, and stressors, like you said have now multiplied, and the chemical stressors, and environmental stressors, and the stress of poor food and lack of exercise and bills and all that. So the stressors have increased. And then the biggest stress of all, which is the stress of being ungrounded. Coupled with all that, no wonder we're seeing these diseases come out of nowhere that we didn't have 100 years ago. So that's fascinating.

So you have this little device that when people buy your grounding mats, this little device, they plug into the wall first to test it. Can you talk a bit about that?

1:37:40 Clint Ober: Yes, I will. I want to follow up on one thing you were discussing. A good way to think about grounding is amino therapy. Ground therapy is your grounding the immune system, restoring the immune system function, bu it's restoring the immune system. That's what it's all about. But anyhow, enough of that.

The electrical outlet tester, that is a universal device for outlets, like used in America and Canada and various other countries. So you plug it in, and what it's doing is it's testing the heart and the neutral and the functionality of the ground. So if everything is proper and working properly, then you only get to the two little yellow lights come on, saying it's there's a ground, there's a working ground. So then you can plug in your device, put that away and put it in a drawer. And the only time you ever use that again is if you move on, you need to check your outlets and make sure they're grounded. So then you plug in your device, and it's connected to the ground, it's not connected to the electrical system, it's connected to the ground which ends up going to ground rod in the earth. So it's like the water coming out of the pipe coming into the house. This is electrons coming up the wire into the house. And then whatever you connect to it, it will hold that device, if it's conductive and at earth potential. So it's like going out in the backyard and taking a few square feet of earth and bringing it in the house.

1:39:24 Ashley James: Uh huh. Yeah, absolutely. I feel a difference. Like I said, My feet are on it right now and I don't want to get off of it. I noticed a decrease in stress, I just feel more relaxed, and calm and happy, happier. You know, and I know that you had people saying that even their depression was going away which makes sense. I mean, if you take the stressor out, then the body's like you said, the most natural state for the body is health and the body's constantly trying to get back to homeostasis, concentrating back to health. And if we remove that stressor, then we're going to notice that shift. So, that's really exciting. I know you've got several different products, you've got the one for the bed, you've got the grounding mat that I'm using my feet on for when you're at a computer, what other products do you have?

1:40:21 Clint Ober: What we have, first of all on that meter, if you see the red light comes on, that means that you either don't have a ground or is not wired properly, you need to call an electrician. Or you may not have a ground, if your home was built before, you know 1960 or so in that timeframe, most homes weren't grounded, they did not have an electrical ground in their electrical system. And a lot of times with all the Do It Yourself remodeling, they go to Home Depot or whatever and buy new outlets, and they have the ground port, but there is no ground wire in the wall. So it's not connected to anything. So when you stick the electric tester in there, then it'll show that there's no ground. So then you have to either get a ground rod like we were talking about, then throw it out the window or whatever, put it in the earth where there's grass, or flowers or something. Or just have them come and install, figure out how to run an electrical ground for you.

The products – we've experimented with a lot of things, but what we've ended up with, one of them is called a patch kit. It's the ground therapy patch kit. The reason I came up with it is it has a couple of wires in it. And it has 90 electrode patches in it. It has a book videos and everything and a nice little kind of like a first aid kit. And the reason for that product is so that most people can't get their mind around grounding until they experience it. So with the patches, they can buy the patches, if they have, they can put it on the bottom of their feet, they can put it on the palm of their hand. And if they have inflammation in their body, put it wherever, you need to actually put it over an area of inflammation. But anyhow, so people can experience grounding, like you've experienced your bed. So a lot of people don't want to do anything until they experience every piece. It's really absurd and unbelievable that this is true.

In many cases, they cannot go outdoors because there is no place for them to go that's convenient. A lot of like you say in apartments and condos and city areas, everything is sprayed, you know bug killer fertilizers, pets, the whole thing, it's just not going to happen. So what we did is we came up with this kit so that everybody could have something available that you can go experience yourself, or go patch grandma, see if it helps her, patch mom, patch anybody and everybody, you know. Because here's what we've learned over the years, the average person who buys a product and grounding products in between 35 and 55. Yes, and it's 99% female, men all go out and tinker which is fine. So anyhow, she buys a product. And the first thing she does, she uses it for two or three days telling, “Oh my goodness, this works.” She calls her mom, her sister or her girlfriend, or her child who needs it worse than she does and gives what she bought to them. Then she buys another one for herself. And then she gives that one to somebody else that needs it worse than she does, but she needs it worse than anybody. But she wants to. She's a caregiver. And she's not happy unless she is helping somebody heal with their health or something. It's just middle aged woman. And it's just in her blood. So now she's found that resource that is relatively inexpensive, that she can share and many times she will go put it on the bed for them because they won't do it themselves. The doctor doesn't tell him that I'm going to do it. The patch product is kind of a product that you can use for acute injury, acute issues, after surgery, all kinds of things. But it's really designed to let people experience grounding, so they can learn about it and find out if it's a value to them. And then we have the movie and the resources, books and all that kind of stuff we put in with it so they can do whichever. So then as soon as we figured out in the early days what people need the most, what can we do to help people the most and that was ground the bed, because put it on the bed one time, plug in and forget about it. Every night to come home go to bed and get up, there's no compliance and they're going to get great benefit. And there are various sizes of that.

Number three product was a mat that's 14 inches wide and 40 inches long. You can put it on the floor, put your feet on it. When you're at the computer you can put it on your desk, put your keyboard and mouse on it. You can't have carpal tunnel if you have that mat under your keyboard and mouse because the palm of your hand will touch the mat. A lot of people buy it because it's a little less expensive, but we call it the poor man's bed because if you can't afford it, what's the least expensive thing you can do to sleep grounded because that's when most of the healing occurs in the body. And so it's the most important time to be grounded. So we focused on that. The little mat, it can be used in a chair, it can be used, on the floor, it's called the universal – it can be used for anything. And again it has to work and it has to be functional and all of that, so it took us years to get the right product, get their carbon, the right everything to make this work. And so it's not toxic.

Then the fourth family of products is what we call it throw. One day we were playing around, people want a grounded mattresses. It didn't make sense at the time because of the silver going bad, but they had made up a yard of material 36 inches wide and 72 or whatever inches long. And so I was standing there and it was cold so I just wrapped it around myself and my shoulders that day. And somebody said that would make a good throw. So we ended up making that product by accident. And it's a conductive wrap like a throw on a couch. The new ones are like 45 inches by 72 inches. And so you can lay on the couch and put it on top of you or even put it on the bottom and lay on it. And people in recliner chairs, a lot of people use it as a cover. It's just a comfort thing. It's a very popular thing in the winter, especially up in the Canadian and most areas. So that's the only real products that we have. We do have grounded meditation chairs that are coming online, we have grounded recliner chairs, where the entire chair has grounded carbon leatherette material on it. These are zero gravity recliners, and we have in the works other things that will come online as time goes on. It takes six months to a year to bring anything new online. So what we're trying to do is put the most effective, least affordable, most affordable, most effective product we can out there, and that's what these products are.

I don't know how we can educate people too far on them, but basically the sleep mats, take your sheet off, put them on top of the mattress, plug them in, and then you put your sheet back over the top of it and just lay down  and go to sleep.

1:48:48 Ashley James: If you had a mattress protector, they're usually some kind of plastic. Is it okay to put the grounding mat underneath it or that then defeats the purpose?

1:48:58 Clint Ober: That defeats the purpose.

1:49:01 Ashley James:  Got it.

1:49:02 Clint Ober: We do have one coming up maybe four or five months that won't have the whole [inaudible 1:49:07] So it can serve as a mattress protector and a waterproof mattress protector.

1:49:14 Ashley James: Ah, there you go. Excellent. Well, we figured we probably should not put it underneath the mattress protector. Now most sheets, though, are not synthetic. So most sheets, does the material the sheets matter? Do you need to make sure their cotton or bamboo or there's something that's not synthetic?

1:49:45 Clint Ober: Well, the only thing that's not synthetic would be a fiber, like cotton, or hemp or something of that nature. Anything like bamboo, I don't think that's a fiber. That's a polymer. So that's a synthetic. But that family, anything that's a polymer base. You would be better off with cotton, normal thin cotton. But if you use anything, when you lay on it, you're going to perspire. And as you perspire, it hydrates the sheet. It's like when you drive a car and you reach back and touch your back of your shirt in a few minutes, you'll feel the moisture. So when you lay on a mat, the perspiration is creating a moisture. It's hydrating, your pajamas and your sheet and you will eventually be grounded. I mean within a few seconds.

1:50:41 Ashley James: Got it. It'll conduct because of the moisture. Right?

1:50:46 Clint Ober: Yes. People whose health is very compromised – that means you have lupus, MS, or something more compromising. They will sleep directly on it, on the black mat. And the reason they do that is because it works. But once they recover from the situation they're in and their life and everything stabilizes, then they can go back to sleeping on the sheets. We don't tell them to do this. This is what they do.

1:51:23 Ashley James: I love when people's intuition kicks in.

1:51:27 Clint Ober: Yeah. What I do tell a lot of people to do, is if you have a chronically inflamed knee, or elbow or joint or you have chronic inflammation, something debilitating that's interfering with your sleep – to put a patch on the bottom of the foot, and sleep and put a sock, you need to make the wire and everything stay on, but sleep grounded, I mean put a patch. Because it will put the fire out and then the body can heal. And what we're trying to do is support the immune system, reduce the inflammation so the immune system can clean up the damage, rebuild the knee or the ankle or whatever is going on.

1:52:14 Ashley James: So just to recap, you've discovered that the cortisol returns to healthy levels, when we ground on a regular basis, cortisol – so stress hormones are returning to a regular basis. The body is coming out of the stress response, the autonomic nervous system is balancing. So if we're not in fight or flight, the sympathetic nervous system response then we switch over into the parasympathetic rest and digest response. So it's helping the body come back to rest and digest. When we ground, it helps the immune system function properly so the immune system can clean up the unhealthy cells and not accidentally harm the healthy cells in the process. I believe in the movie, The Earthing Movie, they said it was around two hours of grounding or earthing, that the blood becomes viscous and healthfully thinned, meaning it wasn't all stuck together, that they could see that the blood was acting like really healthy, viscous, thinned blood – not clotted together, and it could then better transfer oxygen to all the cells and pull the toxins away better. They also talked about that the buildup of electrons affects the mitochondria, which is the powerhouse of the body in producing ATP. We didn't touch on that, can we just touch on that for a second?

1:53:48 Clint Ober: It's really simple, you need an abundance of electrons to create ATP.

1:53:56 Ashley James: So in order to create cellular energy, we need to have that balance though.

1:54:03 Clint Ober: I don't remember exactly how all of this works. But anyhow, when you digest food, basically you have molecules, and these molecules are somewhat balanced, let's say, like sugar. So when they go into the ion channels, then what happens is how the body creates energy is it separates electrons and protons, and they're electrofiles, so they are forever wanting to get back together. Boom. These all feeds into the ATP. I wish Dr. Sinatra or a couple of these others were able to explain the details of it. But yeah, your ATP increases significantly when you are grounded. And that's what gives you more energy, you get up in the morning. When you get out of bed in the morning, you're ready to get up, rather than dragging yourself out of bed.

1:55:05 Ashley James: I love it, I love it. So it helps people have more energy, have less stress, balance their stress hormones, put them back into the healing mode, balances the immune system, the immune system is now acting healthfully. Gosh, so many of my listeners have autoimmune conditions, I am almost in tears, thinking about how much this can help and how much this will help all the people who are listening, I'm really, really excited. Clint, it has been so amazing having you on the show today. I'm going to record a little blurb at the beginning, so everyone knows this. But for those who want to try the patches, or the bed pad or the pad that I'm using right now, which is the pad that you can put your feet on or put your wrists on, they can go to www.learntruehealth.com/grounding. That's www.learntruehealth.com/grounding. And that takes them to your site with all of the different options that you've discussed. Of course, and the free one is go put your foot your feet on the ground, take your shoes and socks off. But not everyone can. So if you can't, then get the grounding mat or get the little patches and just experience it for yourself and do it as much as possible. And do it 95% of time like Dr. Joseph Mermcola and see the difference?

1:56:29 Clint Ober: Yes. It's really important. I can tell you I started out in my early studies and research working with ladies who had MS and lupus. And what I saw was the dramatic impact the grounding had on them is what gets me up every morning. It's the first thing I'm thinking about when I go to sleep at night, whether it's 10 o'clock or midnight or whatever. The last thing I'm thinking about is what can I do to get this done so they can get to the people, so that people can take charge of their lives and restore their health.

1:57:03 Ashley James: You are going to be revered. You know, it's only a matter of time. Because of the way this information travels. Like you said, you sold so many of these mats without ever advertising it because it was word of mouth. I've already told dozens of my friends since using your mats and since watching the Earthing Movie. I can't stop telling people about it. So I know my listeners who are very active and love helping their friends and family to gain their health back. It's going to be like a ripple effect, right? Turn that ripple into a tidal wave and help as many people as possible. Now we do have a lot of international listeners. What about those in the to 220 volts? So it's a different looking outlet? D How would they go about using your products?

1:57:58 Clint Ober: It's identical. They have adapters.

1:58:01 Ashley James: Ok, so the adapter will work?

1:58:03 Clint Ober: Yeah, they have adapters for each of those countries. And they can get outlet checkers in any hardware store. And generally their systems depends on the country, India is terrible, but other countries are great. But yes, all of those can be accommodated. One way or another. But we do have like the UK, Australia, China, various adapters that are universal throughout the world.

1:58:40 Ashley James: When you say India's terrible, do you mean that they often don't have a ground?

1:58:44 Clint Ober: Yes. They have too much electrical. And I mean, it's electrical exploded over there, many years ago, but they didn't have the resources to come back and fix it up. So if you go to India and look up, you're going to see a maze of wires overhead. So in India, we do have a lot of grounding in India, but they have to use ground rods, or they have to live in one of the newer, something built after 1980.

1:59:20 Ashley James: God, but they could figure out how to ground their house? It just may take working with an electrician or getting creative. And we know they are incredibly intelligent and creative and resourceful people and they will figure it out.

1:59:30 Clint Ober: There's a whole new industry waiting out there for people to come and fix these homes, these older homes and make them, so people can ground. And especially young people or older people who don't have time, people just don't have the knowledge, they need to have a ground. I remember in the old days, we started installing cable TV. While it was an industry, it took 40 years and took an army of people to get a cable installation into every home and build the programming and build everything that went with it and so on to make it work. And then came the computer industry, we had to redo it and do it better. And all of these things. So it's the same thing. The telephone industry had to go drill holes, cable industry had to go drill holes. This is another industry, 40% of the homes in the world don't get ground.


2:00:29 Ashley James: Yeah, I can definitely see a need for that for sure. When you were in Florida, looking at the mentees, and just on your journey of enjoying life after you had that sort of near death experience. And you received those two messages be an officer in charge and status quos, the enemy. I will point, did the light bulb go off when you knew what that meant?


2:00:58 Clint Ober: I didn't know what that meant until many years later, and when we started to write the book and about 2010. Then I realized that becoming an opposite charge was becoming negatively charged rather than positively charged. And the whole world had the problem, that we were all ungrounded and we needed to fix that. And status quo is very simple. People don't change, people don't want change, people will fight change. And so I think I got the message loud and clear. But there's a bigger, more powerful driving force behind this than me. And so I just keep working away and this is an opportunity for the world, I mean everything gets out of balance, our medical institutions are out of balance. We're treating symptoms rather than preventing problems. And that's what this is more about is prevention. But it's also, I don't like to necessarily use the word spiritual. But nature is spiritual. I mean, we are a part of it, we're connected to it. And when you connect with nature, it affects your psyche. It affects your heart and it affects who you are. You're a nicer person, when you're grounded. You're more conscious of other people and you know, you aren't some money or you aren't materially oriented. You there's a natural beauty and there's a natural elegance and a natural scheme to nature of which we are partners. Just you can't put it in words.

2:02:37  Ashley James: Absolutely. You know I think I am a bit nicer now that I've grounded. I started thinking about some grumpy people in my life, I need to go get them on a grounding mat.

2:02:50 Clint Ober: Well it gets rid of the stress. And the most important thing is getting our kids grounded teaching them grounding. And slowly getting into the schools because it's gotta stop, We can't electrify our kids. I mean, all of our kids are sick today, or their health is compromised. I'll say it that way. They don't have perfectly natural health.

2:03:14 Ashley James: And I love that in the movie, The Earthing Movie that they covered a classroom, a special ed classroom that had grounding mats. And they noticed that even children who were autistic nonverbal wouldn't sit still for more than two or three minutes, that would sit still for seven minutes if they were on a grounding mat. And that they could get kids to focus that their constant fidgeting and twitching and looking out the window and fidgeting with things that it all went away. And it makes sense because when they covered those who have MS. In the movie, they said that their restlessness went away, the crawling of their skin that feeling like their legs were restless, and their skin was crawling. And that just wired feeling went away.

2:04:01 Clint Ober: Yup.

2:04:02 Ashley James: And it makes so much sense.

2:04:03 Clint Ober: You know, autism is an inflammation related health disorder. It starts out as an inflammation related health disorder. And you gotta put the fire out. I put the fire out these kids calm down. And if they're damaged, not too much damage is done, they can slowly recover. We've seen it too many times. The immune system is a self healing mechanism. It only knows the one thing, try to restore if its got the resources and remove the stress.

2:04:34 Ashley James: That's wonderful. So this movie, you've done two movies, and this latest one is now being shown at different festivals. What are your thoughts on that? Is it kind of like surreal to sit back and go, “I'm in a movie that is being shown at these big film festivals.” Isn't that awesome?

2:04:56 Clint Ober: Yeah, it's weird.

2:04:58 Ashley James: You're like a movie star.

2:05:00 Clint Ober: No. What's interesting is we were at a film festival in Hollywood. Two weeks ago, I think. And we won the Audience Choice Award for Best Documentary in Hollywood. So that's a huge thing. And what it meant to me was this can get to the world now.

2:05:28 Ashley James: Yeah. That's awesome. So cool. So what's going to happen with the Earthling Movie? Is it is it going around the world to all the different festivals? Will it ever end up like on Netflix or something? What are your plans with it?

2:05:39 Clint Ober: My plans are, Netflix and all those people who manage films, they've all come to us. And we have said that what we would like to do is, first of all, finish up the festival just so we get the media and we get the feedback from the consumers. And then we would like to make it free to the world through whatever mechanisms we possibly can to facilitate educating as many people as possible. It's not about money, we haven't made any money, we sold a million plus we have not made any money yet. It all goes back in. And this is really a mission. It's more of a movement. And it's bigger than me, much, much bigger than me. And I'm 75 now, and some youngsters are going to have to come along here and you know, help out. I mean, we are working with people in China, Malaysia, India, Europe. Everybody's starting to wake up more so there than here. It's easier for them to tune into nature, I think, than American for some reason.

2:06:59 Ashley James: Yeah. You have you have a gauntlet to go down, that's for sure. Like you said, once people experience it, they're forever change, they can't go back,

2:07:13 Clint Ober: Yes, they can't go back. And then they have to share it. So what we are trying to do is provide them tools that help share it. You're eventually going to have grounded flooring, grounded beds, grounded everything. Because if ground is what maintains the immune system in its natural state, then we have to incorporate grounding into our living environments. Now that's going to create an army of what they call it value added. So when they make sure is they'll value add grounding to it, they'll value add grounding to the carpets, to do the flooring, to whatever. So it'll create a new industry, like TV, or telephone, or radio or TV or sewer, or railroads or anything else. It's a new industry, we have to go back and fix, find balance and fix what we did over the last 60 years. Plastics are good, plastics are good. And they can be used, we just need to make them so that they have ground material in them. So that when you use them, you're still grounded.

2:08:23 Ashley James: Last night, as we walked to bed, I said to my husband, I wonder if we could ground the floor. If there's a material we could use, I've seen these corks, you know, but like a natural material, if there's a way to ground it. And his response was that sounds like it would be too expensive. And he started thinking about all the problems. My husband was a carpenter. So he starts thinking about right now, how that could be possible. And my vision was to see every floor grounded and just and then we need to teach people to walk barefoot in their homes and leave their shoes at the door. And that was like, “Oh my gosh, that's that's the solution. You ground everything in the house.” And now that's what you're saying is that this is you have that same vision that everything in the house needs to be grounded.

2:09:12 Clint Ober: Over the next 40 years it's a new industry that will employ a lot of people. And you know, it's not going to happen overnight. It's like the medical industry didn't happen overnight, the way it is. It took 60 years to get there, it's going to take 60 years for the transition to occur. But there will be grounded flooring, it's like a lot of the plastic based flooring materials that they have. They put a layer of conductive film on that. And so it wouldn't even be noticeable. You put in saltillo tile or use water based cedars on concrete, you know, concrete floors and polish them and make them pretty. There's lots of things that will surface.

2:09:58 Ashley James: Very cool. It has been such a pleasure having you on the show, Clint. Is there anything that you'd like to say to wrap up today's interview anything left unsaid, you want to make sure that you share with our listeners?

2:10:12 Clint Ober: Well, I could probably talk for hours.

2:10:15 Ashley James: I'd love that. I love learning from you.

2:10:18 Clint Ober: Yeah. The main thing is, if you have pain in your body, if you have anxiety, irritability, depression, chronic fatigue, if you have an autoimmune disease, you must pay attention to this and at least go outdoors, take your shoes off and spend enough time out there that you can know if this will serve you. And then if you can't do that, then you must go to ground therapy and at least investigate what they have. And find something that you can afford. And try it if they don't, I'm sure they'll give you your money back. But we know that doesn't happen. Because once they get grounded, then then they they have to keep using it there. The big issue then is how do I get grandma? How do I get I'll get my sister how to get my girlfriend grounded? That's more of the issue. But again, this isn't about pushing product to make a profit. For me, it's about educating people. But these tools like ground therapy, they're important tools. And we did try to follow the advice of the NIH and California Health Services to provide low cost methods to solve the problem.

2:11:42 Ashley James: Awesome. Well, listeners can go to www.learntruehealth.com/grounding to check out those packages. And I was informed by your excellent staff that several are being given away to the listeners. So we're going to have a giveaway and I'm going to make sure that I make a blurb and put it at the beginning of this interview. But that there's going to be a giveaway in our Facebook group Learn True Health Facebook group. And so the listeners who aren't there yet can go to Facebook and search Learn True Health and join the group. Or they can go to www.learntruehealth.com/group and that redirects them to the group. And from there, we're going to have a giveaway for listeners to be able to win some of your awesome grounding mats and materials. My listeners love to share their experiences with trying new things. And so they're going to get vocal and share how it made a difference in their lives. And then we can all have this discussion in the Facebook group about how we're feeling and how this is changing our life. How earthing and grounding is having a positive impact on our lives.

So thank you so much Clint, for everything that you do. I am such a fan of yours. And I am a cheerleader for the work that you're doing. You're welcome back on the show anytime you need a platform, you want to have a platform to share new information. And I'd love to interview anyone, any of those doctors that you see fit. I'll definitely have them on the show because I know that there's so many doctors that are seeing a difference in the lives of their patients, and that they're totally on board with your mission to help the world get grounded again.

2:13:21 Clint Ober: We'll have a few of those. So I'll point them in your direction for sure.

2:13:27 Ashley James: That sounds great. Thank you so much, Clint. It's been such a pleasure having you here today.

2:13:29 Clint Ober: Thank you. I really appreciate the opportunity.


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