419: Homeopathy Treatment for Coronavirus

Dr. Cilla Whatcott and Ashley James


  • Importance of awareness and exercising awareness
  • What terrain is
  • What susceptibility is
  • Why some people get sick when around germs while some don't
  • Homeoprophylaxis
  • Genus epidemicus
  • Trust your intuition and get away from fear

Everybody from around the world is experiencing some form of fear and anxiety over the coronavirus. Dr. Cilla Whatcott is back on the show with us. She talks about different ways on how we can prevent or deal with the coronavirus by using homeopathy, homeoprophylaxis, and the importance of “trusting your intuition and getting away from fear.”


Hello, true health seekers and welcome to another exciting episode of the Learn True Health podcast. I have interviewed Dr. Cilla Whatcott several times. Please go to learntruehealth.com and type in Dr. Cilla Whatcott. Check out all the other episodes that I have done with her. You can also go in the show notes of this episode for the links to my interviews with Dr. Cilla Whatcott on using homeopathy, and homeoprophylaxis, and past discussions on real immunity and creating a very healthy immune response towards all illnesses.

Today specifically, we are focusing on Covid-19. We're focusing on the coronavirus. I'm very excited that she has some wonderful up-to-date information to bring you. Dr. Cilla Whatcott is connected with a network of top homeopathic practitioners around the world who are treating people that currently are experiencing Covid-19. They have the coronavirus, they're experiencing it, and they're successfully moving through the symptoms back into health using homeopathy. This episode is primarily about that.

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[0:02:25] Ashley James: Welcome to the Learn True Health podcast. I’m your host, Ashley James. This is episode 419. I am so excited to have back on the show Dr. Cilla Whatcott, Ph.D. in Homeopathy. Her specialty is homeoprophylaxis. Cilla has been on the podcast several times. All of our episodes will be linked in the show notes. You can go back and listen and learn about homeoprophylaxis, and homeopathy, and how it can be used. The closest way I can describe it is like a vaccine in that it trains the immune system to mount a response. You're the expert. We were talking earlier and I found out that you have some amazing information about Covid-19, about the coronavirus, and how we can support our immune system in this very chaotic time. Welcome back to the show.

[0:03:30] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Thank You, Ashley. It's great to be here. I appreciate you having me.

[0:03:34] Ashley James: Absolutely. I heard that you hosted a webinar and it sold out. It was max capacity. Huge webinar where you were teaching people what we can do to train our immune system to mount a healthy response. I said, “Oh my gosh. You have to come on the show and teach us everything.”

[0:03:54] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Thank you. Yeah, I had a webinar. There were 900 people registered, and it was free. Now it's available for $1 only, and that's available on realimmunity.org. Right on the homepage, you can click on that and access that webinar and see the recording.

[0:04:12] Ashley James: Awesome. Very cool. I'd love for you to teach us today some things so that we can bring down the fear levels. Right now, fear is our enemy. Fear lowers the immune system. When we're in a state of panic, and fear, and anxiety—even if you don't think you are—you might realize that maybe you're having trouble sleeping, maybe you have racing thoughts, or worrying, which is normal in being in a state of chaos that we're in at the moment. In that state of fear, our body is in the fight-or-flight response, the nervous system's response for survival. That shunts blood away from the logic centers of the brain. When that happens, we can't think clearly, but it also weakens our immune response if we are in the state long-term. The best thing we can do is get out of fight-or-flight so we can get full access to the logic centers of our brain, so we can think clearly and make better decisions for our survival. Also, support our body to be in a state of healing and balance so that we are the healthiest we could possibly be.

I know that some information that Cilla is going to share with us today will help us to calm and ease that panic. Information is power and arming ourselves with what we can do with natural medicine to support our body's ability to be healthy and stay healthy is what's going to help us to decrease to that panic, and to regain a foothold, feel a sense of control again. Cilla, what do you have to share with us that is so profound? I'm just very, very excited. I can hardly contain it. What do you have to share with us that is so exciting about homeoprophylaxis and homeopathy in response to the coronavirus?

[0:06:15] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: First, I want to start, Ashley, with just drawing an analogy. If we look at our immune system and we understand that each time we catch a mild virus it exercises and educates our immune system. We build specific immunity—antibodies—to that particular virus. We overcome it. That real health is not never getting sick, but it's the ability to be adaptable and get well to mount that immune response. What happens is we bump up against a virus, we contract it, our immune system goes into gear by creating those natural antibodies: a fever, a sweat, an eruption, and resolution, and then we've built immunity.

Fear, let's look at it in a similar way. If everything is energy and what happened initially in Wuhan created tremendous fear, anxiety, fear for life, fear for well-being, fear for being isolated, losing income, losing family members, tremendous fear. An energy of frequency of fear was generated. That frequency dissipates around the world. We bump up against it. Throughout our day we hear something, we see something, we read something, and we bump up against that frequency of fear because it's been generated. It's no different than bumping up against a virus.

When we bump up against it, if we can then recognize that—okay, acknowledge it, observe it, this is what's happened: I read a report, I feel my heart rate go up, I feel myself go into that fear mode, and then what do I need to do to calm that? Do I need to get a drink of water? Do I need to go to a yoga class? Do I need to—whatever it is—hug my dog? Whatever you can do in the moment—keeping yourself in the moment—brings you back to your base point. It's identical to this process of bumping up against the virus, raising an immune response, regulating your system, resolving the immune response, and boom you've exercised, and gained an education towards that virus. You've enlarged yourself so to speak.

Same thing with the fear. We bump up against it in one of many ways. We acknowledge it, we observe it, we do what we need to do to move back from it, and we're ascending our own frequency. We're bringing our own frequency up so that we will not be sucked in and pulled down with the fear. Does that make sense?

[0:09:18] Ashley James: Yes. We can do yoga classes at home. Just because some of us are quarantined. We can turn on the TV and there's YouTube. There are plenty of yoga classes. I like to just grab an essential oil and take a few deep breaths with it. That really brings me back to now, calms me down, gets me out of that fear response.

[0:09:40] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Yeah. It doesn’t have to be an hour class. It can be petting your cat, it can be reading a book. The important part of that process is the awareness. Just be aware and observe yourself, “Oh, I heard the news and then I started getting frightened” That awareness alone is enough to start to educate, and ascend your own frequency, and pull yourself back. Then it's easy to find some little something. For me, I can empty the dishwasher and it brings me back to reality. Do some tasks around the house or look out the back window. It's simple. It doesn't have to be long, and involved, or expensive, or arduous. It's just shifting your attention.

[0:10:28] Ashley James: Wonderful. Yeah. Taking those few deep breaths and then becoming aware that this is my body, this is what I'm feeling, this is my body's reaction to the news I just got. Because the mind, when we're seeing the news—I woke up and I checked a text message from a friend and he sent me an article that was really disturbing about the financial predictions by economists about what's going to happen. It was all doom and gloom. I could feel my body going into the stress response. I could feel my stomach tighten, almost like nausea. I could feel my body just going into almost like a pre-panic attack, but I felt it every step of the way. I'm like, “Okay,” and like you said, become the observer. I am observing my body responding to this crisis because when we're reading an article, the mind is imagining, “What does this mean to me and my life? What does this mean to my family?” Our mind, in a split second, is imagining us homeless and having lost everything. In that moment, the body—because the body is always listening to the mind—perceives that as a threat that's currently happening.

The body goes, “There's an immediate threat to my survival, I need to go into fight or flight mode. I need to go into the sympathetic nervous system response to survive this immediate threat.” All I'm doing is reading an article, but my body is mounting a response like I'm in a war zone right now. I love that you said that do something when you notice the sensations in your body because stress isn't an emotion, but we see the results of stress like elevated heart, or nausea, or sweating palms, or feeling dizzy, or almost like hyperventilation. Sometimes you feel a sensation in your neck like high blood pressure. Just notice what sensations you have in your body. Tunnel vision’s another one. If you can't see your periphery you can only see tunnel vision. That's another one.

You catch yourself and you go, “Okay, my body is giving in to fear and mounting a stress response because it thinks we're under attack right now. I need to do a few things to tell my body that we’re actually safe in this moment.” That taking a few breaths, like you said, doing some chores, looking out the back window. For me, it's breathing some essential oils, and taking a few deep breaths, and visualizing. 

Whatever we visualize in our mind our body sees, our body responds to. If you visualize yourself safe and your family is safe, your body goes, “Oh, okay. Everything's safe,” because the body is always listening to what we're imagining in our mind. That's why the body cannot tell the difference between what's perceived or what's imagined and what's real. 

That's why our body will freak out when we're watching a zombie movie even though we're totally safe. It's fun to watch those scary movies. Our body is going through all the stress responses as though it's real, but it's not. So it's fun because, “I'm safe but I'm feeling like I'm under attack by zombies. This is kind of fun.” Some people like that, and that's the exact proof. The body doesn't know the difference between what's imagined and what's real.

Every time we see something on the news we're imagining negative things happening or the impact of that to our own lives like loved ones dying or us getting sick. Then our body goes, “Oh my gosh. This is actually a problem that we're facing right now. I need to mount a response.” That's when we lose access to the logic centers of our brain because we go into the fight-or-flight response. 

I love that you say the number one thing we can do right now, the first thing we can do is always catch ourselves. It might be 20 times a day, but catch yourself when you're stress response, the sympathetic nervous system response, and do what you can. Whether it's yoga, deep breathing, cuddling your children, hugging your cat, whatever. Do what you can 20 times a day or putting on a funny Youtube video, laughing for a few minutes to get your body out of that stress response, and imagining your family is safe, you're safe. Imagining in your mind. That also helps us send that signal to your body that we're safe, and that your body then gets out of the stress response.

[0:15:10] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Ashley, the most important part is the exercise. Just like the more you get a virus and mount an immune response, you're building the strength of your immune system by exercising. Same thing with this, the more times you notice it and pull away from that fear response the more adept you'll become at doing it. That’s what raises your frequency. It's the repetitive action of doing it again and again that raises your own frequency.

[0:15:43] Ashley James: Right. I've talked to a man who's very high up in terms of personal growth and development. Dedicated his entire life to teaching it. He's dedicated his entire life to working on himself. It was hard to not put those people on a pedestal and think they're somehow better more evolved than us. He said that he gets angry, that he gets triggered, that he gets in stress response. He says, “You don't get to this point where you're not going to do it because it's part of being human. It's how quickly you get out of it.” He might get really angry like someone cut him off in traffic or whatever, and then he catches himself and he does the exercise. He gets himself out of stress response. It's the speed at which we do it.

[0:16:38] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: And the way to increase that speed is by doing it again and again and again. That's how we increase the speed of it. Here it comes again and then try to adjust. I had an experience just the other day, something threw me way off balance. It took me quite a while to come back to my own center, but I observed the whole time, and then took steps. What am I going to do next time? How will I not get thrown off when this happens next time? It's all about awareness, that's all. Exercise that awareness muscle.

[0:17:13] Ashley James: You said, you learned from the last experience. “Okay. This threw me off. What things can I put in place?” I have my essential oils right by my desk. I have them throughout the house because, for me, it's the quickest way to turn off the stress response. Utilizing several of your senses so inhaling, breathing, feeling, and also smelling that helps to bring you back. For me, that's a good one. I have my husband and our son. Hugs and cuddles also help and talking it out with my husband. He's very supportive of getting out of fear and back to what's good about this.

That's something I learned from Tony Robbins is to ask yourself what's good about this? Even in negative situations, what's good about this? I'm like, “Okay. What's good about being quarantined?” Because right now we're coming into a time of mandatory quarantine. After I list it off—what's good about this—I started looking forward to it like, “Man, we're going to get the shed cleaned out.” We've been meaning to do that for a while. We're going to do our spring cleaning. It’s just this whole list of things that we've been meaning to do working on the garden. We've got a big vegetable garden going.

We're going to make the best of it, but we ask ourselves what's good about this? That also turns off the stress response because now I'm imagining all these positive things. My body goes, “Oh, we're not under siege? Okay, great. We can go back into healing mode.

[0:18:53] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: That’s your immunity. Right. Right. Exactly.

[0:18:55] Ashley James: Last time we had you on the show you shared this ongoing story of how you battled cancer and you got it under control. How have you been since? You've been challenged. We've all been challenged with the fear that's going on in the world. How has your health been since I last had you on the show?

[0:19:22] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: I'm not sure when it was we last talked, was it August? Six months ago? I’m not sure. I'm in remission, stronger, better than I've been. I have to say, Ashley, it was the biggest gift I could have gotten, honestly, because it was a wake-up call for me. I put some things in place. I became more aware. Truly, it's helped me to make changes in my life that were necessary. I view it as a blessing. I'm grateful. I'm really grateful. I had to come to terms with death in certain ways. I had to look at my diet, my exercise, my busyness level, my stress level, my relationships. I had to examine all of that, and what better thing to do than put all those things under a microscope and make changes that are necessary. 

I've adapted a meditation practice that is very effective, a yoga practice, weight training, exercising more. My diet was pretty good. It didn't need a lot of adjustment, but I'm always tweaking my diet. That too has been impacted and just my ability to create boundaries because I just couldn't stop helping people. I never ever said no. It could be 11:00 at night, it could be anytime. I couldn't say no because my empathy for my clients was huge.

I just reached a point—just before my diagnosis—when I felt like I can't hold up the sorrow and suffering in this world anymore. That's how responsible I felt. I let go of that. I reframed my perspective to understand that whatever we come into this world with, whether it's poverty, or pain, or relationship issues, or whatever it is that's our “cancer.” I have to honor other people. I can be here and offer what I have, but I can't fix anybody else. Whether I answer the phone at 11:00 at night or wait until 9:00 the next morning, that's not what's important because it's theirs. I have to honor and respect that it's theirs to deal with. I can make my boundaries and still be helpful in that relationship with them.

I came to a deeper understanding of that so that I'm a lot healthier in how I execute my own practice. It's good. Boundaries are a thing—it's just like the exercise program, it's just like the virus, it’s just like the fear. I got to rein it in. It starts to loosen up, and I feel it. I feel the warning signs, and then I rein it back in, and then it loosens up, and I rein it back in. It gets easier.

All those changes have been made. I'm in remission. I'm happy. My plan is to return to Mexico. I actually canceled my trip this week. I would have been there now for a tune-up. They do a full-body ultrasound, they do tons of blood work, they have hyperbaric chamber, they have vitamin IVs. All different natural immune-boosting things all in one place in a loving environment. I want to be able to go back there at least once a year and get a checkup, and a tune-up, and be doing that. So that's the plan.

[0:23:16] Ashley James: The center you worked with is hopefourcancer.com, is that it?

[0:23:22] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Correct. It's the number four, Hope Four Cancer.

[0:23:26] Ashley James: Yeah. I've heard great things from you, and I've heard great things from other people. It's always good to share those resources. You, for many years, have been an expert in the immune system from a homeopathy standpoint. Then you really doubled down on your education around the immune system when you had to heal your body from cancer. Because cancer is an immune issue, so you've really been focusing on the immune system from a very different standpoint than modern medicine. We have to be very careful to say that we're not saying we're here to cure anything. The body does its own healing. I'm not here to tell you a cure or Cilla is not going to tell you a cure, but the body is the one that cures. The body is the one that heals itself. We can tell you information to support your body in doing the best job it can.

[0:24:32] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Right. It's all about the terrain. It's the terrain. It's not the germ, it's not the disease, it's the terrain.

[0:24:40] Ashley James: Can you explain that for people who've never heard it before?

[0:24:43] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Germ theory says that we get sick because there's a germ, and it touches us, and that makes us sick, but that doesn't account for why some people can be in the room with the germ, and they don't get sick. Other people are in the same room with the germ, and they do get sick. What we know as homeopaths is there’s such a thing as susceptibility. 

Susceptibility is our predisposition to getting that germ to catching, to that germ. Our susceptibility is based on our diet, our sleep, our emotional state, our relationships, our ancestry. Many, many components comprise our susceptibility. The susceptibility is expressed throughout the body at a cellular level. That's our terrain. It's the gut biome. It’s the blood. It’s all of our body.

There's something called dark field microscopy that looks at a drop of blood and can see lots of facts about the terrain. I had this done three times during my process. Literally, there are some people doing it—well, I shouldn't say some. I'd say anyone doing it can see these holographic images in the blood. 

For myself—when I first had it done right after my diagnosis—I had in hand a mammogram and an ultrasound with pictures of the tumor. It was odd-shaped almost like a sword. It was sharp. It was long and odd-shaped. When I did the dark field microscopy, there it was a hologram in my blood. The identical shape, identical. It was bizarre.

Six months later, after doing all the treatments in Mexico, I had it done again. It was gone from my blood. I could still feel it, but it was no longer being represented in my blood.

[0:27:01] Ashley James: When you say you could still feel it you mean the tumor was still present in your breast?

[0:27:05] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Correct. Correct.

[0:27:06] Ashley James: But the holographic image was no longer in your dark field microscopy?

[0:27:11] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Microscopy. The person doing it for me said, “If you want to have it removed this an ideal time because there's no fear of spreading. You're not going to open up and spread it.” Because this is what happens sometimes with surgery when you pierce the area. That was her advice. It had been about nine months at that point since my diagnosis. It was fairly aggressive. It had a 40% proliferation rate, and it hadn't grown. I'd held it at bay, which was a win. I had about five people close to me that died during that time. Some of them from cancer, some of them from other methods. It wears on your mind. Every time, I just wanted to not feel it there anymore. I wanted it gone. I opted, at that point, to have a mastectomy.

[0:28:13] Ashley James: I think that was the smartest move possible because you did all this natural medicine for nine months and proved that you could stop the growth of it. It didn't, like you said, proliferate, it didn't metastasize, but you stopped the growth of it, of something that is a rapid-growing tumor with all the natural medicine. Supporting your body's ability to keep it at bay. Then you had it removed. Since then, you're free and clear and you still practice everything that you learned from the cancer to support the terrain of your body. Was it Louis Pasteur who talked about the terrain of the body?

[0:28:58] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: On his deathbed, he said it’s not the germ it's the terrain. He recanted because he had discovered—he had talked about germs. It was on his deathbed that he said that definitely.

[0:29:10] Ashley James: It’s more about the health of the individual because, like you said, we can all be in the same room with a virus and not everyone gets it. Some people are asymptomatic, some people have it in their body but completely asymptomatic, some people die from it, some people have minor symptoms, and some people have major symptoms. Why is that? It's not because they're old. There are young people too that are having the symptoms. What is it? There have been older people who have completely survived. There are older people who have not had any symptoms at all. The question is what is it? Why is it that some people get it some and some people don't?

One thing that's very interesting—that's come out of China and South Korea—is that the malaria drug in conjunction with zinc, because the malaria drug forces zinc into the cell. The cell up takes more zinc. The zinc interrupts the cell from making the RNA for the virus. It interrupts some way that the virus is asking the cell or hijacking the cell to make RNA for it. 

I talked to some people about this, some health professionals about this. It's very interesting because zinc is—someone's healthy and if they have healthy zinc levels, then zinc is present in their cells. This comes back to the terrain of the body. If someone has their nutrient tank is full of the 90 essential nutrients, the nutrient tank is full of all the minerals all the vitamins that their body needs in the right amounts—including zinc—then what they're seeing is that if there's enough zinc in the cell, the cell will not make the RNA for the virus.

Maybe that could explain why some people don't get the virus. They could be carriers. They could just have it in their body, but they're not reproducing it. They're not having symptoms of it because the terrain of their body was healthy. You said it was more than just nutrient levels. It can be stress levels, it could be genetics. There are so many factors.

[0:31:44] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Influencing it. Let's take it one step farther. Let's say your nutrient tank is full—as you have described. You come in contact with that particular virus or any virus. Your body sees it, but it does not get ill. It doesn't contract it and get ill. What's happened now? Your body has become familiarized with it because it's bumped up against it. 

This is similar to the principle behind homeoprophylaxis. Because with homeoprophylaxis, we're exposing the body to the frequency of a disease, but it's a safe frequency. It's not material. If your terrain isn't 100%, and your nutrient tank isn't full, you are not at risk because this is a frequency. It’s not the material disease. Then you become familiarized with it. We're giving it in that energetic form, in the HP, and then if you meet it in nature—because you're familiar with it—you have a better chance of mounting an actual immune response or repelling it.

I have to say upfront, no method is 100% effective, nothing. Not a vaccine, not a medical intervention, not homeoprophylaxis, nothing's 100%. We have to accept that to start, but certainly, something that's safe and has been shown to be effective by the track record for over 200 years is a great option which is why I promote homeoprophylaxis.


[0:33:26] Ashley James: There are no side effects. It's safe for all ages, right?

[0:33:32] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: It's safe for all genders, all ages, all species. In third-world countries, they can put it into the water supply for livestock. It can be used with other interventions. If you want to use other interventions at the same time that’s fine. There's no cold chain required so you can distribute it very quickly. It's inexpensive. You don't need medically-licensed people because it's not injections. They're pellets so you can train people quickly. Nothing could be more ideal for third-world countries. You can quickly distribute it. In Cuba, 2010 swine flu epidemic, they distributed their HP to 9 million people. They never had a swine flu epidemic there. It didn't touch Cuba.

[0:34:24] Ashley James: I was just telling one of my guests, he is traveling to Africa to do some research with some tribes there. I said, “You know, you should look into homeoprophylaxis since you're going to go there. You're probably going to get a bunch of vaccines, but hey you should check out homeoprophylaxis because it's been proven to be very effective especially in travel in the third-world countries.” I'm not sure if we’re supposed to call it that anymore, but tropical countries where there are different diseases.

[0:35:07] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Tropical diseases.

[0:35:07] Ashley James: Tropical diseases, thank you.

[0:35:09] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Dengue fever, typhoid, common malaria. Those are some of the big ones.

[0:35:12] Ashley James: Right, right. He had never heard of it. I started telling him about what you said about Cuba. He goes, “Did you know I'm Cuban, and I had no idea.” He goes, “Yeah. I'm very interested in this.” I sent him the studies, and he was amazed.

[0:35:31] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Did you send him the leptospirosis study? The one that was done in Cuba that's been written up?

[0:35:36] Ashley James: Yes. For those who haven't heard it, can you explain that here right now?

[0:35:42] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Sure. The leptospirosis study—and this can be found in my free knowledge vault. If you go to familyhomeopathycare.com, click on courses. Within those paid courses there's a free knowledge vault. You just sign up for the knowledge vault. You can go in, you can download whatever you want. The lepto study is there. 

2007-2008 they had multiple hurricanes come through Cuba. They typically vaccinate the entire population against leptospirosis before hurricane season. Because they had multiple hurricanes they could not roll out and distribute these vaccines. They decided to try homeoprophylaxis. They have an institute there called the Finlay Institute and their research and development for vaccines. They distribute vaccines around the world. They have a natural department that was headed up. Within that department, they created this leptospirosis nosode that was for prevention. They distributed it to 2.3 million people in one region that they knew was going to be hit particularly hard that year based on charting prior years.

The first year it came down, but it came down in some other regions. So they thought, “Well, maybe it's just down everywhere.” The following year they continued to dose the HP. The following year it flatlined to zero, and it went up everywhere else. That was their proof. It was written up. It's a PubMed study. That's inside the knowledge vault for people to see. 

They have very little problem there now. That's the last I heard. Dr. Isaac Golden, who's the world's leading authority with homeoprophylaxis, spent about 10 years there going back and forth between Australia and Cuba, collecting data, writing it up, and doing these interventions with the doctors at the Finlay Institute. Swine flu was one of them.

During this particular epidemic, we're going into now, I consulted with Dr. Golden. He felt that the best HP would be a combination of influenza A, influenza B, bacillinum, which is from tuberculosis, and pneumococcal. That would cover the symptom picture. Because in homeopathy, we use the law of similars. We use things that are similar to the symptoms being expressed by the disease. That’s the homeoprophylaxis that I feel confident using. That being said, there are many very renowned homeopaths around the globe who are recommending other things for prophylaxis.

The Indian government is recommending the homeopathic arsenicum weekly. There's a doctor by the name of Rajan Sankaran in India who's well-respected. He's recommending camphora. There are people out there that are recommending different things. There's no one right thing. The choice has to be the individual's choice based on their feelings of security. For myself, I respect Dr. Golden, and that's the advice that I'm going to follow, and that's the product that I'm actually offering to people because something very close to that was used for the swine flu. It makes sense the way that he's developed it.

I've also heard of just the actual nosode. Nosode being something from the disease products: sputum, saliva. A remedy is made from that as a prophylactic. That may very well be helpful as well. I don't know. Isaac didn't comment on that. He said he doesn't know where that was procured from. He also questioned just a pure nosode because he had seen effective action when there was a combination of similars. That's why he recommended what he did. That’s what I'm going with.

[0:40:20] Ashley James: For those who are just learning about homeoprophylaxis for the first time—I definitely recommend going back and listening to our other interviews with Dr. Cilla Whatcott—tell us a little bit about the history of homeoprophylaxis in India, and why the Indian government recommends homeopathy and homeoprophylaxis?

[0:40:46] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Indians are forerunners with homeopathy. They’re homeopaths go through four years of medical school. They operated in the hospitals. They're well-respected. They really utilize homeopathy because it's such an inexpensive form of medicine, and they can get it out to all the people in the rural areas. It's easily distributed for all the reasons I mentioned earlier. Their government actually supports the use of homeopathy. 

During epidemics, they will put out public signs saying gather such-and-such place to receive your homeoprophylaxis. They have a boat that's like a pharmacy—a floating homeopathic pharmacy that goes into the backwaters. Places where people can't get out and get to the cities. They distribute different remedies or homeoprophylaxis.

In my second film called Passage to Real Immunity, I've interviewed one of the Indian docs about using homeoprophylaxis in India. It’s done. It's used. It’s successful. They've done a large intervention with Japanese encephalitis that was very successful, dengue fever, chickenpox, chikungunya, lots of tropical diseases. They do use it. 

They actually apply resources to experimentation to see what's the best prophylactic prescription for this particular disease. They came out with their suggestion for arsenicum very early in this process. Early in the epidemic, the anxiety level was huge. This frequency of fear that we talked about. Arsenicum is very, very popular for addressing that. Perhaps—I'm just speculating here—perhaps by addressing that fear it brings it down to a level where the immune system can deal with the virus better. That may be a good intervention in that regard, but all epidemics are dynamic. Viruses are dynamic. They don't stay exactly the same. 

Over time, they're going to morph, they're going to shift. What homeopaths have done for generations is something called identifying the genus epidemicus. What that is identifying a number of cases—the more the better—seeing what the common symptoms are amongst those cases, seeing which remedies best address those symptoms, and they may come up with four, six, eight different remedies, and then they consult with other homeopaths around the world. 

We’re networked. We all know that these remedies A, B, C, D, E are the ones that are treating the current symptom picture. If we get patients with the epidemic disease, we know we can use one of those remedies. We're differentiating between one of those remedies. This is what was done with the Spanish flu. So 1918 Spanish flu, the mortality rate for conventional medicine was about 30%. With homeopathy, it was 1% who got it—

[0:44:19] Ashley James: So 30% of people—sorry. I want to just slow that down because this is so important. Back 100 years ago, there were hospitals that were dedicated to homeopathy.

[0:44:35] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Correct.

[0:44:37] Ashley James: We had—in some ways—access to natural medicine more so over 100 years ago than we do today because there was more freedom. Because the allopathic medical system hadn't pushed everyone out. 

There were hospitals. You could go to a hospital for allopathic medicine and take their pharmaceutical-based drug medicine, or you could go to a homeopathic hospital and get treated by homeopaths. Back in 1918 when the Spanish flu epidemic was happening, people who went to hospitals or saw medical doctors at the time that we’re treating with drug-based medicine, 30% of the people that had the Spanish flu died.

[0:45:29] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Correct. Approximately 30% mortality.

[0:45:30] Ashley James: Huge. That’s a very scary number. That is much larger. Right now, they're seeing numbers somewhere around between 2% and 4% depending on the country, but we don't have accurate numbers with the coronavirus because we are not testing everyone.

[0:45:52] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Right which raises some bewilderment at best and suspicion at worse in my mind. Because if something is so deadly or so transmissible, why are we not testing for it? What is that about? The not knowing raises more fear than anything else. I could have it. You could have it, any minute we could have it. Anyway, that's another topic.

[0:46:22] Ashley James: We have to catch ourselves when we're in that fear of others. I was just at Costco yesterday stocking up. There are signs everywhere that say six-foot social distancing and staff members were enforcing it. As I was walking around, we all tried to avoid each other. It felt like this air of distrust. You can't trust your neighbor, you can't trust people. It was very interesting. 

I just started observing it and going, “Oh, this is just part of human behavior.” It's very interesting. Let's take that and go, “Okay. I observe myself doing this. That's not productive. It's putting me in stress response.” Instead, transmute it into love of my neighbor, “I'm going to stay six feet away from you to show you I love you, and respect you, and care about you. It's not about not trusting you.” It's interesting because we do that. There's this reptilian maybe primal part of our brain that starts to want to distrust others and that was sort of being enforced.

Back in the Spanish flu, 30% of people passed away which is huge and totally worse. Totally, totally worse than the coronavirus. Thank goodness that the coronavirus is not as bad as that. Those who went to the homeopathy hospitals, homeopathic hospitals, what was the percentage? What was the mortality rate?

[0:48:04] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: 1.05% mortality.

[0:48:59] Ashley James: It is like how in the world do we not still have homeopathic hospitals? How in the world do homeopaths not work alongside our medical doctors and hospitals if that is the level of effectiveness? How in the world have we allowed, have we pulled the wool over our eyes and allowed pharmaceutical companies to take over our medical system, not for our benefit. Drugs are good, they save lives. I'm not saying no drugs ever. I'm saying that for their profits—if you look at the history of modern medicine—they pushed out all others. There are times we want to use homeopathy because it's more effective. We should have a bigger tool belt. We should be allowed to.

[0:48:59] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: The why did it get pushed out—the answer to that is in an interview I did with an ER doc who now does mind-body medicine. I interviewed her for a live presentation. It's on the Facebook page Real Immunity Movie. Anyone can go there and listen to that interview. It's fabulous. Dr. Kim really outlines what happened in medicine and why it got pushed out. She does a nice concise job of it so people can listen to that there.

Part of the reason that that death rate was so high was because they were suppressing the fever. Aspirin had just come out and it was the wonder drug because you could give the same aspirin to 1000 people without having to take the case. All you had to do was see they had a fever, give them aspirin, boom their fever comes down. 

Homeopaths had to take the case because they had a genus epidemicus. They knew it was one of these five remedies, but they had to talk to the patient, ask some questions, observe the symptoms in order to give the proper remedy. Then those patients were surviving, whereas the ones whose fevers were eliminated, it was forcing the pathology deeper into the system because the system wasn't allowed to move things up and out with this fever, and they were dying very rapidly.

The reason I talk about this is because of genus epidemicus. It's a method that's been used successfully for generations by homeopaths. There are some classical homeopaths who do not support homeoprophylaxis. They say the only method to use is genus epidemicus. 

I would say both methods can be good. Genus epidemicus is great, and we use it. I'm actually doing a class on it next week because we're identifying the genus epidemicus for this particular epidemic, and it will morph as things change. But what about the weakest among us? What about those who get sick and die before they can get any homeopathic treatment? 

Homeoprophylaxis can be effective and it works. We know it's about 90% effective with these tropical diseases so why not use it? It can't harm anyone, and it's easy to distribute, easy to use. It seems to me there's room for both in the world: genus epidemicus as well as homeoprophylaxis.

[0:51:34] Ashley James: Homeoprophylaxis is like a homeopathy vaccine in that it trains the immune system—

[0:51:44] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: It exercises.

[0:51:45] Ashley James: Exercises, familiarizes. The immune system makes a more educated approach when it then actually comes in contact with the pathogen versus genus Epidemicus, which is once we already have the illness, then we want to take some homeopathy to help us move through the symptoms faster.

[0:52:10] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Correct, correct. Exactly.

[0:52:11] Ashley James: Both should be in our tool belt.

[0:52:17] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Genus epidemicus, if you're really ill, you probably need a professional homeopath to intervene, to differentiate what remedy you need. I wouldn't recommend people treating themselves but have remedies on hand. If you have to reach out to a homeopath that's easy enough to do or if you have enough education knowledge in homeopathy you could probably differentiate and choose the right remedy, but it's not so easy to treat yourself or your family. Even homeopaths, we reach out to colleagues if it's ourselves or our family. 

Having those genus remedies can be really helpful. Right now I know because I have people emailing me daily saying a lot of the homeopathic pharmacies are out of a lot of the remedies. They're not able to fill orders, many of them right now. 

I know for myself with the Influenzinum CV that I'm offering, I can't keep it in stock. I pick up 100 or 200 vials of it at a time and they sell out within a day. I have doctors’ offices. This is the encouraging thing. I have MD’s offices contacting me for the Influenzinum CV. They're open-minded, forward-thinking MDS, and their practices lean towards natural methods, but they’re MDs. They're classically trained in medical school. They recognize the value of it. They're reaching out for Influenzinum CV.

[0:53:52] Ashley James: Very exciting. When someone gets a vial of this, they can actually make it last years. Because I got the Influenzinum from you—gosh, I want to say two years ago. It's when I interviewed you about it. It was well over a year ago. It has to be over a year ago because I've been through almost two flu seasons now with it. We didn't get the flu both seasons. 

There have been times where we felt like, “Oh, I kind of feel flu-like symptoms,” and then we would take it, and it would pass. We, of course, do lots of other stuff too to keep our immune system up and to support our body in general. When I took the Influenzinum and made a vial, took a few pellets of this whole vial of pellets, and put it in some alcohol. We don’t really drink. A friend left sake in our house so I ended up making it out of sake and a big dropper bottle. Then pounding it 100 times. 

We keep it in the fridge. We just take a few drops of it every week or every two weeks. Like you said, it's retraining with homeoprophylaxis, with the Influenzinum, you can take it every few weeks throughout flu season to educate your immune system to mount an intelligent response.

[0:55:26] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: You made a tincture. That's great. That’s really commendable. Yeah, you made a tincture. Those pellets, you could have made 100 bottles of tinctures from those pellets.

[0:55:34] Ashley James: Right. It could last our family forever. It's why I love. It’s such an inexpensive medicine. It's not molecular medicine, it's energetic medicine. A lot of us have been raised in the system of if I can't see it out I don't believe it. That molecular medicine is the only kind of medicine.

[0:56:00] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Ashley, let me present this to you. Let's say you were around in 1800, and I said to you, “I'm going to take a picture of you, and I'm going to look at your bones. I'm going to see all your skeletons.” You would have looked at me like I was from Mars. Now, we x-ray people. 

Technology is never done. Very clearly, it's catching up to homeopathy. These energetic methods are becoming more understood and more explainable. It's happening. The science is catching up. The science is there. Trust me, we are going to see the day where it's explained and it's accepted. It is the future of medicine. I honestly believe that.

[0:56:48] Ashley James: I really believe it too. I've done a few interviews recently talking about energy, and the morphic field, and how we can affect it and it affects us. There are so many scientific studies happening now to prove that matter and energy go in and out of phase with each other. There even whirled a photograph—a particle being a wave and a particle at the same time recently. You could probably google it, but they just took an image right at the moment where a particle was becoming a wave. 

Something physical, something material was becoming energy and phasing in and out. We have to just really wrap our brain around this idea that we are energy, that our body is frequency, that we vibrate, and that there's actually more space in us if you think about it. I love thinking about is, on a molecular level, the space between atoms that were actually made up of a lot of space when you think about it. That we're all vibration and frequency. That's what homeopathy is. No wonder, it is so effective. When you get the right remedy if you're helping the body move through symptoms.

A homeoprophylaxis is so effective because, like you said, it's a non-invasive way of training the immune system to mount over an intelligent response. Have you met anyone who's been using homeopathy and has been in contact with the virus or have you talked to any colleagues?

[0:58:42] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Yeah. One colleague who gave a webinar on the genus epidemicus has called between 60 and 70 cases of positively diagnosed coronavirus from around the world—all different countries. That's what he's based the genus epidemicus on. He has had actual proof of the disease itself and the remedies. 

Personally, because of the dearth of testing in Minnesota where I am there hasn't been testing. I have been treating many children mostly that have had suspiciously similar symptoms, but they're not taking any kind of test. I've treated them homeopathically. Some of them have been quite miserable, but they get through it. The parents are freaked out over the symptoms. The high fever and child's moaning and clearly uncomfortable—very, very uncomfortable—but they make it through.

[0:59:55] Ashley James: There is a woman here in Duvall, Washington who was a first responder for a nursing facility in Kirkland where they became confirmed cases—some of the first responders. I think there was something like 50 or 60 in total that were infected. She was one of them, and because she's a health professional, documented her experience through the entire thing and wrote down. 

She said she's got the fever. It was about 102 point something. Then after the fever, she had a day where her lungs were on fire. She said her lungs were burning, but she documented and shared all of her symptoms. I hadn't heard that before that symptom that she said her lungs were on fire and burning for a whole day. She survived and shared her experience in hopes that it would help.

The children that have been having the high fever, and the moaning, and the similar symptoms, did the parents also get it? Are you seeing a lot of?

[1:01:04] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: In some cases, yeah. In some cases it went we went through the family, others not. A lot of my patients are from Hawaii to New York. They're all over the map. They're not necessarily only here. Some in California, some in Hawaii, New York, East Coast—a bunch on the East Coast, which is what made me suspicious because it would be the coast that would pick it up first with flights coming in. That's where I've been treating most of these sick kids.

[1:01:36] Ashley James: Like you said, we should work with a homeopath because I might have burning lungs, and someone else might have burning lungs, but because of how we present our symptoms, and because of our constitutional, and all these factors a homeopath might give me a different remedy than someone else as they're going through the disease. It's best to work with an experienced homeopath. Are there some remedies that you can share that yes, people should stock up on or have available that have been really helpful to help people move through the fever? Especially what’s deadly is the inability to breathe.

[1:02:24] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Right, right. We see a lot of lung involvement. I'm actually going to be doing an in-depth class on this next week, which will be available through my website. A little sneak peek I would just mention a few remedies. The first one is aconite. In stage one of this, we're seeing a lot of aconite, which is a very sudden onset of high fever. You're not feeling well, maybe something's wrong, and boom 102 fever—very sudden. That's an aconite feature. You can always start with aconite.

We're also seeing a lot of phosphorus symptoms or phosphoric acid. The difference between phosphorus and phosphoric acid, there are lung symptoms, there can be choking, coughing, desire for cold drinks. The phosphoric acid has a lot more depletion, exhaustion. We see that also in stage 1 and stage 2 of this virus where there's tremendous depletion. People are just limp, very heavy, very tired. 

Then one of the most common remedies is antimonium tartaricum. This is for the inability to cough something up and out. You see in the elderly they're not strong enough to cough something up, that they can't expectorate, or very young children sometimes need antimonium tartaricum because they don't have the musculature to cough and get something up and they start to choke on it. A lot of antimonium tartaricum, phosphorus, phosphoric acid, aconite is there. 

There are a few others, which I'll go into detail next week in the class with what we call materia medica. It’s a list of symptoms that are associated with that particular remedy.

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[1:04:17] Ashley James: This is great for people who don't have access to a homeopathic practitioner or like you said, it's the middle of the night and we're just trying to move through the symptoms. What's the difference between suppressing a symptom and helping the body move through them?

[1:04:31] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Suppression takes place when you use a pharmaceutical drug to stop the action of something, so stopping the fever with a pharmaceutical drug. Giving any homeopathic remedy is supportive. Given correctly it's supportive. I suppose you could suppress with a homeopathic remedy if you hammered a system with the wrong remedy time and time again, but in the right hands, homeopathy is supportive. 

The other remedy for high fever is belladonna of course. You can put that in water and give it to a child every 15 minutes to bring a high fever down, and you're not suppressing the fever. You're facilitating the body to function with the fever, move through the fever.

The other thing that can be helpful for fever, which is a folk medicine prescription is calcium lactate. This is a supplement. In high fever, the muscles try to leach calcium from the bones. You burn up your calcium very quickly. If you supplement with calcium lactate—it comes in powder, it comes in pellets—you can put it in water, you can put it in juice, and have the child sip it. I've known families that never use any fever reducer. They use belladonna, they use calcium lactate. 

The calcium lactate can also be helpful if children are prone to febrile seizures. Febrile seizures can occur because the muscles are trying to leach calcium from the bones so they’re spasming to leach that calcium. You see it when the fever goes up rapidly very, very quickly. They don't necessarily pretend a lifelong of seizures. It’s scarier for the parent than the child, but the calcium lactate can preclude that. Keep getting the calcium in the system and have them sip this calcium lactate in juice or water.

[1:06:39] Ashley James: Does the body do this—leach calcium from the bones—to put into the muscles because a fever is acidic and it's trying to balance the acidity?

[1:06:50] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: I can't really answer that, Ashley. All I know is that there's a higher demand for calcium. I don't know about the acid-base balance.

[1:07:00] Ashley James: I wonder if people who are deficient in their minerals because if you don't eat a really good diet it's very easy to be deficient in minerals. We've been lied to about just drink your cow milk. The reason why cow milk has such minerals is they feed the cows supplements. Well, let's just skip the middleman, take some supplements ourselves, and also why don't we just go eat what the animals eat, get some greens in us.

[1:07:29] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Right, and leave out the antibiotics that the animals get.

[1:07:32] Ashley James: Yes, yes. Also, milk is the biggest food that affects the immune system because you're drinking the immune system of another animal. It's very confusing for our immune system. Many, many reasons to cut out milk to promote a healthy immune system. That's not my opinion. That's from Naturopathic medicine. 

We've been told that that's where we should get our calcium from. Yet, animals don't make minerals, plants don't make minerals. Minerals are in the soil. How we get them, the best way to get them is from our fruits and our vegetables. If someone doesn't eat enough, especially toddlers or children maybe they've been eating a lot of processed food like pasta and crackers. They're not eating a ton of fruits and vegetables, maybe they're mineral deficient or they have a digestive issue that we don't know about because they're allergic to milk. We don't know. 

Maybe that's why some children get these seizures and other children don't. The terrain of the body. If a child is fully nutrified and they've got enough minerals, then when under that stress of a fever they're not having those seizures, but a child who's minerally deficient— the muscles don't have enough calcium—then they're having those seizures as a result while the parathyroid is trying to get the calcium out of the bones to feed the muscles.

It's again coming back to that idea of the terrain of the body, which is very interesting. Why we should spend all our time throughout the year filling our nutrient tanks, and decreasing our stress, and practicing self-love, and supporting our body's ability to be fully stocked up, fully nutrified, and fully healed. That way, when we come across illness, it has its best chance of survival and of thriving. Very interesting about the seizures and the calcium supplement.

[1:09:48] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: You can find that information, again, in the free knowledge vault under natural methods. That's in the knowledge vault for anyone who wants to download that.

[1:10:00] Ashley James: In the Spanish flu, when they were suppressing the fever, why was that killing people? Why was it killing people to suppress the symptoms?

[1:10:14] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Homeopathically we know that when you suppress that function of the body—the fever serves a tremendous function to reboot everything, to burn up bacteria, to burn off the illness basically. Take that away and it's going to go rampant. The first place that's going to go is into the lungs. This is what we see all the time. It goes to the lungs, and then the people would be coughing up blood in the Spanish flu situation, and dying very quickly. 

It was understandable because the “modern medicine” was aspirin. You could treat so many people with aspirin. It was the modern way, so that's what they were doing. In the class I have coming up I have some of the testimonials of some of the doctors that were treating homeopathically or the nurses that were in hospitals and seeing the difference between those taking homeopathy and those taking allopathy or conventional medicine. It's very interesting to look back in history and see what happened.

[1:11:25] Ashley James: I bet. Absolutely. We need to learn from the past especially now. Especially now.

[1:11:31] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: I know that members of our Homeopathic Association have gone to the State Medical Association and offered to assist and showing the data from these past epidemics and saying, “We're prepared to assist,” but they're more or less ignored.

[1:11:49] Ashley James: Of course. This is the system that's been set up, and also people have been trained for the last 100 years by pharmaceuticals. If you look at Edward Bernays and how we've been manipulated. Just study Edward Bernays and how we as a society have been manipulated over the last 100 years to view pharmaceutical-based medicine as the only cure, or the only tool, and everything else is quackery. They discredit everything else multi-generationally. They've made it so that we don't trust great-grandmother's remedies basically. 

What we have to come back to, we just have to keep coming back to the results. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let's look at the results. The results are that homeoprophylaxis has—in many countries—gotten great results, and it is cheap, it's effective, there's no side effects, everyone can take it. So why not? Why not practice homeoprophylaxis? Even if it just lowers our stress levels a bit, that'll be helpful too.

[1:13:09] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Right, right, right. Exactly, exactly. Look back again, Ashley, at frequency. The frequency of conventional medicine is such that it can't see or hear a different frequency. It can't understand homeopathy. It can't let it into its field because it's at such a lower vibration, a denser vibration. I'll have to say that for emergency medicine, conventional medicine is great. If you have an arm hanging off or you've been hit by a car that's what you want, but it doesn't treat chronic disease. It doesn't really prevent disease in quite the same way as a good terrain can prevent disease. It's a different frequency. Will it ever be able to see natural medicine or homeopathy? I don't know. The frequencies are pretty far apart as I know from the whole cancer journey.

Every time I walked into an allopathic office it would take me days to get my center back again because the frequency would be so dense and so doom and gloom. You do this or it's not going to work. You can feel it, feel a different frequency. I'll have to look up Edward Bernays. Is it like mayonnaise? Is that how it’s spelled, Bernays?

[1:14:37] Ashley James: Well, if you just type into Google, Google will spell it right for you. Edward Bernays is sort of the father of media manipulation. He wrote some really good books. One of them is called Propaganda. He just shares his formulas. He is one of the people who is celebrated as creating how they manipulate us using media back in—I don't remember the exact time frame whether it was the 40s of the 50s, but right around then smoking, only men smoked. In the movies, only the villain smoked. The cigarette companies wanted to sell cigarettes to women because that's half the population. They want to sell twice as much as what they're selling now.

They use this manipulation in the media all of a sudden they made they used Hollywood so film, and television, and radio, and print ads to make smoking be something that women have freedom do. That it’s a symbol of freedom, it's a symbol of womanhood. They were able to very quickly turn the narrative 180 to go from only the villain smokes to now sexy women smoke, and your doctor smokes. Look at how their sales went through the roof because they were able to change the perception of cigarettes. It took them many years to change the perception of cigarettes to be like cancer sticks. We're fighting still against their marketing in some aspects and the remnants of their marketing.

That's just one example, but they've used in modern medicine they've used the same tactics to turn people against holistic medicine. They’ve manipulated, that's very well-documented that the hospitals wanted to make more money. Birth pretty much happened at home. Home births—for how long have we been alive here on the planet? Hundreds of thousands of millions of years, who knows how ever long we've been here. It was home births. The hospitals wanted it to be in the hospital so they could make more money.

They started to put out advertising and articles about how if you have a midwife from a different country—so they used this xenophobia—that they will bring their third-world country diseases into your home. As they deliver your baby they'll infect your baby. They made people afraid of midwives and said, “Your baby will die, and you will die if you have a midwife. Come to our clean pristine hospital we're modern. You'll be a modern woman.” Look at how they marketed that breastmilk was inferior to the science of formula.

[1:18:13] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Most recently they said that nursing your baby was contradictory to vaccines. Vaccines couldn't work as well if you nursed your baby.

[1:18:22] Ashley James: Right, right. The thing is that we have to use our critical thinking. If you want to learn critical thinking there's a website called Trivium Education. I think it’s triviumeducation.com. It might be .org. Google Trivium Education. It's a free website that has been around for a very long time. I've been following them for over ten years. They teach for free. They teach critical thinking. It’s a system of thinking from Plato's era. It’s a 3500-year-old system of critical thinking that was taught to people, but it was actually systematically taken out of the education system when they introduced the project and education system about 150 years ago—somewhere around there.

They took it out of the education system. It's still taught in certain private schools like Jesuit private schools, but it is a system that was taught rigorously. It's critical thinking. You can watch their videos, and listen to their audios, and you learn this system you learn all the linguistic fallacies. If you learn the system you will become a human BS detector. You'll actually be able to hear the lies that the media is spewing. It's all about gathering the facts, and not letting the spin and the Edward Bernays style manipulation take over.

Very Orwellian if you've ever—just read the first chapter of 1984. Watch the movie to get how the media spins things and controls to manipulate because all major media outlets are owned by the corporations that want to control the population. It’s not conspiracy this fact. It’s the first paragraph in Edward Bernays book says that he believes that the population needs to be controlled by a few powerful men that own these media outlets. That major corporations owned the media outlets so that they can control the interests. They can control the population.

I guess I'm showing my tinfoil hat at this point, but it's about coming back to what we can control. Because I can't control, the media does. I can't control what the few powerful men out there are doing to the puppet masters. What I can control is my breath, I can control taking homeopathy, I can control eating organic food, I can control supporting my family in love, and joy, and bringing myself to a higher vibration, and I can control educating myself, and informing myself. So that when I take in the information, I look at it through the lens of critical thinking, through the lens of being able to decipher the fallacies. I recommend people study critical thinking, especially if we're all going to be locked up in our homes for the next few weeks. Study critical thinking. It's called the Trivium Education, triviumeducation.com or .org.


[1:21:49] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: It’s .com. I just went there.

[1:21:50] Ashley James: It’s .com. Okay, good. I always think it should be .org because it's a free thing, but it's triviumeducation.com. Just study the trivium and learn the system of critical thinking so that you can decipher. Don't just let the media dictate your nervous system. This will also help our nervous system to learn critical thinking because you'll be able to see through the lies and stream through all the information to pull out the truth, and to weigh it, and to analyze it. If the medical system used the trivium and analyzed homeopathy, they would adopt homeopathy as one of their tools because they would see the results. They'd see that there is a place for homeopathy alongside allopathic medicine because people get fantastic results. It's all about the results, and that it increases survival rate. That's wonderful.

We have two tools in homeopathy. Like you said, we have homeoprophylaxis, which is something we can do to exercise the immune system. There's homeoprophylaxis for all kinds of diseases, which is really exciting, but right now, everyone's focused on the coronavirus. They can go to your website. Is it realimmunity.org that they would go to your website and go under shop for the homeoprophylaxis?

[1:23:20] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Yes, or they can look for just general programs for their family, for their children as well. For the homeoprophylaxis for viruses, for Influenzinum CV that's under shop.

[1:23:33] Ashley James: Okay. I know that you sell out. So you have to go to the website every day because it sells out very quickly. Then you go, and you restock, and then it sells out again. One of my friends locally was able to get one. He says the tracking shows it's on the way. He's going to share it with all of us locally here, which is exciting. Just keep going to realimmunity.org, and checking out every day, and seeing. I know Cilla is doing her best to keep it in stock. We can use that for years to come because it exercises the immune system against several viruses, is that correct?

[1:24:18] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Correct, correct. You can use it year after year.

[1:24:24] Ashley James: Terrific. Your training, which is going to teach us more about when we have symptoms then we could take these homeopathic remedies to help our bodies, for our body to move through it faster—instead of suppress it move through it faster. How do we find that training?

[1:24:46] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: It'll go out in a Mailchimp, it'll be on Facebook, it'll be on Instagram. The goal is to have it offered next Friday, the 27th. I'm working towards finishing it up to have it offered by next week.

[1:25:03] Ashley James: Okay, great. If we got on your email list we'll see it. If we follow you on Facebook we’ll see it. Is it going to be a live webinar?

[1:25:12] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Yes, live webinar with Q&A.

[1:25:16] Ashley James: Oh, great. I was going to say, “Do you have Q&A?” Okay, perfect. That'll be great, so we should all sign up for that. That'll be fun. For those who can't attend live you'll have the video for sale or available afterward?

[1:25:31] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Possibly. I might just be updating it and offering it again live. We’ll see.

[1:25:40] Ashley James: Okay. We'll stay tuned. Cilla, I love how dedicated you are to education, educating us, and supporting us to support ourselves and being healthy. You've been on the show numerous times, and we've gotten to know each other over the years. I love how much integrity you have and how heart-centered you are in the work that you do. I only promote things I believe in, and I really, really believe in the work that you do. I feel like I'm the mama bear sometimes. I protect my listeners. I protect in that I don't want to send them down the wrong path like I don't want to be sent down the wrong path.

I protect my listeners by not taking on advertisers. I get offers every day for all kinds of things. I comb through them, and I have not taken any advertising dollars. I don't believe in commercials because I don't know if I could trust those companies. The only companies that I will promote are ones that I believe in that I know make a difference, and then I've gotten fantastic feedback afterward for my listeners saying that it really helped them. Then I'll continue to promote those companies.

You are someone who I will—time and time again—refer people to because the work that you do is exceptional, your heart-centered, you are full of integrity, and you get great results. You have three documentary movies that listeners can check out. I definitely recommend them. You have homeoprophylaxis, a kit for the entire family that covers everything like polio, and measles, and mumps, and rubella, and all that stuff. That covers a ton of them. People can get the whole homeoprophylaxis kit from you. The whole family can go through that program. You've got lots of free information. Again, tell us how to get to your free library, your free vault of information.

[1:27:54] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: The free knowledge fault is on familyhomeopathycare.com. I have a free giveaway for your listeners as well, Ashley. The first of the three films, I've divided it into three half-hour episodes, and I'm giving away the first episode. That's going to be on Instagram, Facebook. People will be able to find it on the Real Immunity Facebook page or Instagram page. I don't know if my assistant’s gotten it up there yet, but as soon as she gets it up there it'll just be a link, password, and people can access that first episode of the film.

[1:28:32] Ashley James: Great. I recommend just buying the digital access to all of your films because the three films together paint this great story. It’s so worth watching. Didn't you have Dr. Debra Gambrell as one of your?

[1:28:50] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Yes.

[1:28:51] Ashley James: I interviewed her and we talked about this in a past episode. She's an anesthesiologist who started getting into holistic medicine after her son was diagnosed with autism. He was on the spectrum to the point where he couldn't be in a—if he was going to go to school it was going to be a very specialized school for people on the spectrum. She did natural medicine with him. Now she says in a “normal school.” He's in classes with children who are not on the spectrum, and he is functioning with them. That's very exciting. One of the things she shares in our interview is about the importance of fevers. She talks about that in your movie as well.

Parents, we've been trained to suppress a fever. We've been trained to give baby aspirin or ibuprofen to our children the moment they have a fever. We've been trained to be afraid of fevers. We've done a huge disservice to our children as a result because fevers are healthy. She talks about this that fevers are healthy. Seattle Children's Hospital, which I adore. I adore the work they do. They have an article, you can google Seattle Children's Hospital fever myths.

They say that even a fever of 108 or 109 for a child can be a healthy fever. I'm not saying it's always a healthy fever, but it can be a healthy fever. When your child is 102, think about this, your child could be at a 108 and a Children's Hospital in Seattle thinks it could still be a healthy fever. Dr. Debra Gambrell discusses in detail what to look for in children to see whether it's a healthy fever or an unhealthy fever in my interview. Also, she talks about it with you in your movies.

The point is that if we suppress symptoms we could actually be doing tremendous harm and a disservice to the child. Of course, always talk to your child's doctor, always talk to your pediatrician. Go read that article that Children's Hospital put out about fevers. Listen to my interview with Dr. Debra Gambrel about it, and also watch Dr. Cilla Whatcott’s three movies that she made where she interviews amazing doctors of holistic medicine to bring you this information about how to support the immune system. Your movies are real—what was it? I get them mixed up.

[1:31:36] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: It's the Real Immunity series: Quest for Real Immunity, Passage to Real Immunity, and Choosing Real Immunity. Those are the three. They're all available on realimmunity.org.

[1:31:47] Ashley James: The third one's the best one but you have to watch the first two. You have to watch all three. You have to watch all three, so realimmunity.org. Go there, get the movies, get the digital access to them. I have a feeling we're going to have a lot of free time on our hands for a lot of us who are social distancing or quarantined at home. We've got a lot of resources we're giving you today to go check out.

It's been so great having you on the show. I could just talk to you for hours about my love of homeopathy. I have some stories about homeopathy I share in past interviews so I won't share them now, but I have had great success with homeopathy in my personal health but also in my child's health when he was a baby when he was weeks old with horrible colic. I was trying everything. I was giving him the special little drink you give babies—that colic calm or whatever they call it—where it has fennel in it.

[1:32:54] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Fennel tea.

[1:32:54] Ashley James: Yeah, fennel tea. I was giving him fennel tea with a little bit of ginger. I was rubbing his belly with very diluted dill essential oil. I was trying everything natural to help with the colic. He had horrible, horrible gas pain. He was just looking up at me with these desperate eyes like, “Please, help. I'm dying.” His guts were being torn up from the inside. Horrible, horrible because, unfortunately, he had to be on formula and we were also getting breast milk donated. The formula was from a cow because everything else he was allergic to. We tried everything. We tried a lactose-free one that he was still allergic to it. While we were trying to access breastmilk he had to be supplemented on this. The colic was just unbearable.

In the middle of the night, I'm exhausted, he's exhausted, he's screaming, I'm crying, and I've tried a bunch of different things. This isn't placebo. Then I put a little pellet of the homeopathy in him, and the calmness comes over his face. It melts in his mouth—this little pellet—and he calms and he looks at me. It's just relief. He didn't pass gas. It happened every time because, for the first year of his life, he had horrible gas pain and colic until we dialed what food allergies he had, and was able to adjust his diet for him, and of course when he got off breastmilk and formula.

Homeopathy was what helped him move through it. This is what I tell people for people who are skeptical, “How does homeopathy work for a dog? How does it work for an infant?” Because you can explain like if I'm an adult and I take it and I believe in it and then I get a result you could say it's placebo, but how does the placebo effect work when homeopathy helps animals and it helps infants. Other things I was giving my child wasn't working. So it couldn't be placebo because he can't sit there and think he's a one-month-old baby. He can't go, “Oh, my mom put something in my mouth therefore I'm going to have a placebo effect. I believe this will help.”

Homeopathy has been shown—time and time again—to work whether you believe in it or not. That's the exciting thing. If you want to hear more of my stories that I've shared in my personal life. Cilla has shared many wonderful stories and also lots of great information. Go to learntruehealth.com, search Dr. Cilla Whatcott in the search bar at learntruehealth.com. You'll find all the episodes where Cilla has been on the show. You can also look in the show notes of this podcast to find all the episodes. Listen to all of them so you’ll hear more great information about homeopathy and homeoprophylaxis.

Thank you so much for coming today and talking specifically about the coronavirus, and how we can use homeopathy and homeoprophylaxis for the Covid-19. Is there anything that you want to make sure that you say today to the listener? Anything left unsaid before we finish today's interview?

[1:36:24] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: First, I want to thank you, Ashley, because it's always a pleasure to come on your show. I just so appreciate everything you've said. Your recognition that I try to work with integrity from my heart means the world to me because that's the most important thing to me. Thank you sincerely for having me. I think that the most important thing is to trust your intuition and get away from fear. That's the keynote of my films, really. Coming at it from every direction to try to get parents to trust their intuition. You have this, and you can get through this. Just quiet yourself, go inside, learn, read, understand, know what you need to do for yourself, and trust that. That’s my best advice. Nobody can tell you what's right for you. It has to be your choice.

[1:37:22] Ashley James: Brilliant. Thank you so much, Dr. Cilla Whatcott for coming back on the show. You are always welcome. Keep coming back, and keep teaching us. We’d love to have you. Before we wrap it up, is there a resource for those who would love to hire a homeopath? Either a digital one online or one in person? Some people, they're learning about homeopathy for the first time. How do they navigate this world and find a good homeopathy?

[1:37:50] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Let me tell you a website, I'm just pulling it up. Center for Homeopathic Certification. They have a list—here it is, hang on. Council for Homeopathic Certification. The actual URL is homeopathicdirectory.com. These people are certified. I would highly recommend people who have the CCH after their names. It's rigorous training, rigorous testing, and they are certified. Homeopathicdirectory.com. You can click on your state, and you can find who's certified in your state.

[1:38:26] Ashley James: What does CCH mean?

[1:38:28] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Certified Classical Homeopathy.

[1:38:34] Ashley James: Is there any alphabet behind their name if they're into homeoprophylaxis?

[1:38:41] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Some do, some don't, C.HP. Certified in HP, but not everyone because I've certified quite a few medical doctors, chiropractors, Naturopaths. They don't necessarily have that designation. You just have to ask and see if someone has training.

[1:39:07] Ashley James: Do you offer training for people who want to study homeopathy?

[1:39:10] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: I do. I don't advertise it publicly. People who reach out to me I save their emails, and then when I do a training I limit it to about six people so there's a lot of personal interaction. It's a six-hour training and the seventh hour is one-on-one with me to adapt it to your own practice. I provide tons of information, handouts, written information. There's just lots of stuff. I'm hoping to teach that again sometime this summer. People can contact me. I just give them a free 15-minute consult so we can see if it's a good fit for them.

[1:39:51] Ashley James: Got it.

[1:39:52] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: But they need to have a practice. They need to have some sort of practice. It's not available to parents or laypeople. Professionals who are in some sort of practice.

[1:40:03] Ashley James: About 20% of my listeners are holistic health practitioners. Those who have a practice and want to learn homeoprophylaxis—fantastic tool to have in your practice—can contact Dr. Cilla Whatcott and see if it's right for them in their practice. That's very cool. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. So realimmunity.org. Lots of great information. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

I want to leave everyone with the homework to practice self-care, self-love—especially now—more diligently. Soak in magnesium, drink lemon water, go for walks—even if just walks around your backyard. Get out in sunlight, ground yourself, take your shoes off and put your feet in the grass in the backyard, get out in nature. Even though we're self-isolating do your best to get outside in nature and take care of yourself. Lots of love, and cuddles, and hugs to get the oxytocin up.

Oxytocin and cortisol are opposite. So cortisol is the stress hormone, oxytocin is the love hormone. If we can do lots of cuddles—30-second hugs with our spouse and our children—and love on our pets like you said. Our dogs, or cats, or whatever. We can increase oxytocin and that helps to decrease cortisol. You're either in a cortisol state or you're an oxytocin state right now. You want to keep yourself in oxytocin state as much as possible and keep yourself out of cortisol as much as possible.

My homework for everyone is to practice as much self-love as possible. Even if you have to write down a list. I have a list on my fridge. Just write down a list of ways that you decrease your stress and ways that you increase your joy. Whether it's put on music and dance. Just ways you increase your joy and decrease your stress. Put it up around the house—post-it notes—to remind yourself, “Oh, I can do that right no. I can decrease my stress.”

Then after that, take all the resources we told you about Dr. Cilla Whatcott’s website and her free resources vault, and her videos, or movies. Also, if you want to study what I talked about today with triviumeducation.com. Take all these resources and bring that information into you as long as you're staying out of cortisol, as long as you're staying out of the stress response. If you catch yourself in stress responsible while studying, get up, walk away from your computer or your phone, and do something that brings you joy and increases your oxytocin. Stay in a state of oxytocin for better health long term.

Cilla, such a pleasure as always. Come back on the show again sometime soon. Keep sharing with us. I love, love learning from you.

[1:43:07] Dr. Cilla Whatcott: Thank you, thank you, Ashley, very much.

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Recommended Readings by Dr. Cilla Whatcott

Dissolving Illusions – Suzanne Humphries (Vaccines)

Miller’s Review of Critical Vaccine Studies – Neil Miller (Vaccines)

Impossible Cure –  Amy Lansky (Homeopathy)

The Complete  Homeopathy Handbook – Miranda Castro (Homeopathy)

Check out other interviews of Dr. Cilla Whatcott!

Episode 137: Homeoprophylaxis

Episode 155: Developing Real Immunity

Episode 228: Homeopathy

Episode 305: How To Naturally Avoid The Flu

Episode 394: Choosing Real Immunity

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Ashley James

Health Coach, Podcast Creator, Homeschooling Mom, Passionate About God & Healing

Ashley James is a Holistic Health Coach, Podcaster, Rapid Anxiety Cessation Expert, and avid Whole Food Plant-Based Home Chef. Since 2005 Ashley has worked with clients to transform their lives as a Master Practitioner and Trainer of Neuro-linguistic Programming.

Her health struggles led her to study under the world’s top holistic doctors, where she reversed her type 2 diabetes, PCOS, infertility, chronic infections, and debilitating adrenal fatigue.

In 2016, Ashley launched her podcast Learn True Health with Ashley James to spread the TRUTH about health and healing. You no longer need to suffer; your body CAN and WILL heal itself when we give it what it needs and stop what is harming it!

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