350: How To Lose Weight Naturally

Tony Bussey And Ashley James

Morbidly obese at 567 pounds, Tony Bussey's life was “a self-made prison.”  In this episode, be inspired by his experience in the 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire and how it flamed the desire for self-improvement to regain a whole new life of physical freedom and more.

[00:00:03] Ashley James: Welcome to the Learn True Health podcast. I’m your host, Ashley James. This is Episode 350.

I am so excited about today’s interview. We have with us an inspiring man, Tony Bussey. You went viral.

I saw you on Facebook. You went viral, and your story has inspired me. I said I have to get him on my show. I can’t wait for my listeners to learn from Tony.

[00:00:35] Tony Bussey: Thank you.

[00:00:36] Ashley James: I want [inaudible 00:00:37] your show, and I want to dive right into your story because when I saw you went through the Fort McMurray wildfires—I’m originally from Canada. I live in the States now, but I have a lot of friends in Alberta, and I have a lot of friends that were displaced and lost their homes. It was quite tragic.

[00:00:56] Tony Bussey: I’m jealous of the United States right now because it looks like you guys are going to get the Stanley Cup again. You’re Canadian. That’s pretty heartbreaking, but that’s another broadcast.

[00:01:08] Ashley James: [laughs]

[00:01:11] Tony Bussey: I’m very sad right now, but that’s okay.

[00:01:14] Ashley James: I had to explain to my husband why and how hockey is the best sport.

[00:01:19] Tony Bussey: Oh, yeah, by far.

[00:01:20] Ashley James: [laughs] So Tony, you had quite an experience going through the Fort McMurray wildfires. But that’s not the topic for today’s show.

The topic is that you transformed your health and your life because of them. I love for you to take us back and tell us your story. What happened to you that transformed your life?

[00:01:46] Tony Bussey: For years and years, I lived a life that was just horrible, I guess you could say. I like to tell people that I was in a self-made prison.

I’m not that tall. I’m only between 5’8” and 5’9”, but I was over and around 600 pounds. My top weight was 567 pounds, and I was that size for years. Life was horrible at that size. There’s nothing designed for people to live day to day life—to get into a restaurant, to get into a vehicle, to get on a bus, to buy clothes. Everything is a struggle.

Leading up to the fire–I was evacuated twice from that fire. During the second evacuation—because they had flown us back north of Fort McMurray. We weren’t allowed to go back into the city, but I work in a mine north of the city, and the city itself was still a dangerous area, but north of the city at that time was okay. They had the mine shut down, but they’re trying to get everything back up and running. The fire seemed to be dying down quite a bit.

But when we got up there, almost like overnight, it got really bad again. There were a couple of camps up there that was on fire. One completely burned to the ground.

It was during this evacuation, the second evacuation, that my life changed. At that time, we left the camp, and there was a line up to get on this huge coach style bus that they had coming around picking people up like those Greyhound buses. I was in the line-up, and I was in the back of the line, and a gentleman came along—a manager. He came along, and he took me from the back of the line to the very front of the line.

Anybody listening to this that is extremely overweight does understand how anybody that’s obese, you don’t like any extra attention. You’re already stared at enough. You don’t blend in, and that’s all you long for, to blend in with people.

So when he picked me out of the back and put me to the front, right away all of these eyes were on me—”Why is that guy going to the front?”

But looking back on it now, I understood why they did it because you don’t want a man that’s almost 600 pounds in well over 30 degree Celsius heat. I’m not sure what it is in Fahrenheit.

[00:04:21] Ashley James: It’s in the 90s in Fahrenheit.

[00:04:23] Tony Bussey: You don’t want anybody in over 90-degree heat, that size, up there in the middle of nowhere passing out basically. So they put me on the bus, and the bus was packed, except there is an empty seat next to me. But I was spilling over in that seat too much that they couldn’t sit anybody there.

You look out the window of that bus, you can see a long line of people—men, women, somebody’s wife, somebody’s daughter, somebody’s husband, somebody’s son waiting to get ahead of that hill basically, and now somebody has to wait even longer because I’m taking up two seats.

So they brought us up to an airport, and it was the same situation. I had to get on a plane, then all these planes land in another airport. They would land, they would fill up, and take off, and more planes would land. That’s all it was.

When I got on the plane, it was the same thing. The plane was packed. It was full except there was a seat next to me that I was taking up too much of that seat for them to put anybody there.

That was the final straw for me. Everything over the years, every struggle, every sadness, every bit of depression, every bit of hate that I had for myself because I was so huge, it all culminated into that.

And then, I couldn’t get those image of that people out of my head, and I kept thinking, “Okay, now you’re affecting other people.” I knew I always was like my family and stuff, but for some reason, that wasn’t enough. But then through that fire—I mean we didn’t know how bad it was going to get. I didn’t know how long these people were going to have to wait. But because of me, somebody has to wait there even hours, who knows at that time—maybe another day longer.

Everybody got out, thank God, but that had such an effect on me, and then when I got home, I got down to Edmonton, Alberta, that evening—that’s where they flew us to—I had enough. From that moment on, I changed everything.

I changed my eating habits. I think I started walking, [inaudible 00:06:31] the next day, but I changed everything. I haven’t looked back since.

[00:06:37] Ashley James: Now, we’re coming up on the 3rd anniversary of the Fort McMurray fire—it happened in May. Tell me, how long did it take for you to start to lose the weight after you changed your eating habits and started to walk? Tell us about that journey.

[00:06:56] Tony Bussey: It was fairly quick. Now, I was 567 pounds. I couldn’t get on any normal scale to see how big I was. I had to use a warehouse for the company that I work with, one that they would forklifts on. That’s the only thing that I could weigh myself, and when I weighed, I was 567. When they allowed us back into Fort McMurray, I went back to work, and everything was back to normal on June 10th, I believe that was.

I started this both the third week of May, so by the middle of June, I was down 30 pounds. For the first in my life, the scale had gone down and not up. I will never forget it. When I have seen it that day, it was like I won the lottery. What an overwhelming feeling of joy that finally—I keep referencing saying a prison—when you got 30 pounds gone, it’s like somebody has taken a set of keys to that prison door and they’re putting it a little bit closer to you. You’re getting closer to getting yourself free, and that’s the way I felt. I was starting to become free again.

There are two types of freedom in this world that people long for. That’s physical freedom and financial freedom. If you can tame one of those, you have a life that’s more beautiful than ever.

I had 30 pounds gone, and then I had 100 pounds gone by September. That’s when my life started to change. It’s been a beautiful ride ever since.

[00:08:48] Ashley James: Looking at you now, no one would know that you were once almost 600 pounds. You look super healthy, super fit, and you’ve done this within less than three years.

[00:09:02] Tony Bussey: Yes, I think it took me about two years. I’ve been maintaining the weight now for about a year. The thing that I did in the beginning, I do to this day. I eat the same. I go for my walk. I walk 3.5-5 kilometers a day. Now walking to me, it’s more of a mental thing than a physical thing. I’ll get up at 4:00 or 4:30 in the morning, and I’ll go for a walk before I go to work, and I work a 12-hour shift.

That walk in the morning, that crisp air, that alone time, the time to think, just to reflect and remember that three years ago, I couldn’t do that. So I smile, and I start my day, and it’s like a fresh cup of coffee. I miss it if I can't get out.

[00:09:54] Ashley James: Your walks are like a meditation in motion where you're bringing in gratitude and reflection into your life.

[00:10:02] Tony Bussey: Oh, yeah. Anything that you might be dealing with it, it just has a way of clearing your head. That weight, that size, for years and years it was my biggest disadvantage because as soon as you would wake up in the morning, you knew how big you were. As soon as you took your first breath, it was a struggle.

That is so ingrained in my memory that now that has become my biggest asset because for years and years and years, I long to be out of that prison like I keep saying. And now that I'm finally out, it's like a dream come true.

[00:10:41] Ashley James: So while you were overweight, you longed not to be overweight, but what stopped you from taking the actions to accomplish that?

[00:10:50] Tony Bussey: It was mental. I had myself convinced that I didn't deserve anything else. I had myself convinced that that was my life. I had myself convinced that I was trapped. I would go to bed at night, and there were nights I would go to bed and just pray that I wouldn't wake up because it was so horrible.

If anybody is listening to this right now that is struggling with their sin, and it doesn't necessarily have to be weight, it could be drugs, it could be alcohol, it could be anything. But you get to the point of despair where you don't care about yourself anymore. You get to a point where you don't care if you live or die. Basically, what I was doing was eating myself into an early grave.

For whatever reason, and I still look back, and I still struggle with the reason why I didn't start it then. I used to try at times, but it was never successful. But for some reason, seeing those people waiting for that bus and waiting for that plane, something clicked in my brain. There was something that clicked that said, “This is enough, Tony. Now you're affecting other people. Life is passing you by. Let's get this changed because you're not going to have another chance.”

I didn't think I'd be alive right now to even talk to you if I stayed that size. But now, I wake up in the morning, and I'm not reminded of that life. I wake up in the morning and reminded of a new life, and I smile. I smile every time I put socks on.

[00:12:43] Ashley James: [laughs]

[00:12:45] Tony Bussey: I have had people sending me socks in the mail, and it's been wonderful. That is my biggest treasure right now, a dresser drawer full of socks that I can wear.

[00:13:03] Ashley James: When you were at your heaviest, could you not put on your socks?

[00:13:06] Tony Bussey: No. I went about three years where I couldn't put on socks, so to walk without socks on—I work in heavy industry, so I'm wearing work boots without socks on. I would take my work boots and put up on a table, and I would tie them loosely so I can slide my foot down in because I couldn't bend over to tie up my boots. So I would slide my foot down in them, and then you got a boot on with no socks on, so your foot is sliding around in this all day—just physical pain.

When I could do that, I  think I had about a hundred pounds gone. I mean that first day when I put socks on again, it was—yeah. I’m Canadian, and I have cold winters. It’d be like in the middle of January, andyou get a blast of warm summer air coming against your face for five seconds. Just a feeling of happiness. I was like, “Ah.” It would be like if we won a Stanley Cup again.

[00:14:19] Ashley James: [laughs]

[00:14:23] Tony Bussey: That's the only way I can describe it. It’s just a feeling of pure joy,

[00:14:29] Ashley James: Tell us about some other times during your journey towards your goal weight where you had those first moments, like the first time you could fit into a booth at a restaurant or go to a movie theater for the first time. Do you have any more of those?

[00:14:49] Tony Bussey: Yeah, like the first time I got in my car. I had a seatbelt extension in my car, and I couldn't even wear a seatbelt then. So I still keep that seatbelt extension in my car just for a reminder. But the first time I could put a seatbelt on normally—you talk about a movie theater. I used to take my daughter, and we go to the movies. She would have to sit two seats over from me. Now she sits right next to me.

To go to a normal clothing store, nothing is more frustrating or depressing or demoralizing when you go into a Big & Tall, like a George Richards clothing store for big men, and they don't have clothes to fit you. I used to pray and wished there was a store called Short & Obese, but there wasn't. It didn’t exist. I would assume that I have to go out and buy a tarp. I was starting to feel horrible.

So when I could go just to a normal clothing store and buy clothes, when you go into a normal grocery store—because for big people, like really big like I was, when you go anywhere where there are crowds, you always get stared at. And when you would go now to places where there are crowds, people don't give you a second look; you're just one of thousands. Everybody wants to be extraordinary. Everybody wants to stand out. An obese person wants to blend in.

To finally achieve that, to go to a restaurant and to not have to worry about if they have tables or boots—I can go, and I can fit into a booth now. To get more personal, I went on my first date in years. At that size, you would never go and ask a woman out because you never had nice clothes. You didn't feel good about yourself, everything that went with that, right?

And to finally be social again, to meet new people, or like I said, to buy socks—to wear socks again, to get up in the morning and take two seconds to put socks on. I bought my first pair of sandals. I never wore sandals before. Right now I'm sitting here wearing shorts. This would be the first summer I wore shorts in about 25 years.

[00:17:12] Ashley James: Wow.

[00:17:13] Tony Bussey: Yeah. I went on my first international trip. I went down to Mexico last November. I've never been to the United States before. Years and years ago, before we needed a passport, I drove through northern Michigan, but I've never traveled through the United States. I definitely want to see a beautiful country. I want to come down see New York, Washington, San Francisco, all across. I want to travel.

So when you get on a plane, and you can fit into a normal seat, you don't need a seatbelt extension, you can put the tray table down. And then you see people coming into the aisle, and they'll sit next to you, and they don't give you that nasty look like, “Oh, look at that big guy.” They sit next to you as a normal person, and they don't know your story. You’re filled with so much joy because you're just normal–just to do every day normal activities.

[00:18:11] Ashley James: So many people take it for granted. But for those who are living in the larger bodies, what other people take for granted, they only wish they could have.

[00:18:24] Tony Bussey: Oh, yeah. Like to call a cab. Before, if I needed to have a cab, cabs didn't fit me. I couldn't get into just any car. Now I can call up any cab, and get into and go anywhere. If you get to an airport, one of the things was having trouble fitting on a plane, but you could always buy two seats if you have to. Now, I hardly flew at the time, but the biggest thing was getting to an airport, and if you had to rent a vehicle, what if there are no vehicles big enough for you to rent? Things like that.

I used to worry about getting sick. How would a hospital take care of me? Could I fit in their bathroom? Could I get on a stretcher? Things like that. It's all of these things that would give you anxiety.

I live alone, so I used to wonder, “What if I had a heart attack? Who's gonna know?” I had a friend of mine that used to call me because we worked shifts; I wouldn't see him for a while. But if he didn't hear from me in two, three days, he would call me or text me and make sure I was okay.

[00:19:33] Ashley James: How many years did you spend living in a larger body?

[00:19:38] Tony Bussey: I was always kind of large. I remember I moved to Fort McMurray in 1999, and I was over and around 300 2,330 pounds, I believe, at the time. It was, I believe, in 2004. I'm originally from Newfoundland on the east coast of Canada, and I drove home then. When I came back, none of my clothes fit.

From then on, from 2004 up to about 2016 is when I put on all that weight. And I would say from 2006, 2016, I was getting big. It seems like once you hit a certain level, whether it's 350 or 400 pounds—I didn't like weighing myself much then—but the weight would snowball. As soon as you hit a certain amount, then you go up, and you go up even faster because what happens is you care less, and you do less and less activity because it becomes more of a strain on your body to do so. And then you get depressed more, so you'd turn more and more to junk food to feel a little bit of happiness. And then it becomes a vicious cycle.

[00:20:56] Ashley James: There's a TV show with a doctor named Dr. Nowzaradan.

[00:21:00] Tony Bussey: Oh, yes. I watched.

[00:21:02] Ashley James: It’s “My 600-Lb Life,” and he says that at this weight, like you said around 400 pounds, you're either gaining or losing. It's very difficult to maintain. In his experience, he sees that you've gone to maintain momentum in your weight loss or else you'll start gaining again. How did you maintain your momentum?

Did you ever have an experience where you go on the scale and you didn't lose weight, or maybe you gained a few pounds, or the weight loss wasn't as significant as you thought it would be? Because there are those moments where people end up giving up in a program, where they get on a scale or they measure themselves, and they're dissatisfied with the result, and they throw in the towel. Did you ever come up against those moments?

[00:21:56] Tony Bussey: Well, there were times where—when you work night shifts like I work night shifts, that could screw up your metabolism. So if you weighed yourself after doing six- or seven-night shifts, you wouldn't be down any weight. And then about three, four days later you would have five pounds gone type of thing.

But overall, no, because the scales are just one aspect. I didn't even own a scale for the first two and a half years of my weight loss because people get so concentrated on a scale that if they do have a bad day or so, they would get too discouraged and they would go back to their old ways. A scale, in my opinion, in the beginning, is the worst thing that you can have.

What I would do, I would go down through the hospital and weigh, or I would sneak up into one of the floors and use a scale in the hallway. I'm sure the doctor used to wonder what I was doing every couple of weeks, but I show up and weigh myself and take off. But I didn't want to have that scale in the house. So then if you did have a day or whatever, or maybe you never got out for a walk or something, you were feeling a little bloated, you didn't have the scale there to discourage you. I would weigh once every two or three weeks, and that was it.

[00:23:21] Ashley James: Smart. Did you ever come up against though, like a number you weren't happy with and then after you wrestle with that little voice in your head that said, “What's the point? What's the use?” Did you ever have any of those moments?

[00:23:37] Tony Bussey: I can honestly say no. The only thing I measured myself by—I didn't own a scale—I would go by my belt. I would go for walks, and when I could wear jeans again, I started wearing jeans, and I had my belt. As long as I didn't have to go up a notch, I knew I was okay, and I will keep going. And then when I would have to, I will get a knife and create another hole in my belt. And that's when sometimes when I would go and weigh. I still have that belt this day.

But those memories of being 567 pounds, we're so seared in my head that even if I stayed the same at the scale, I wasn't back to that old weight. I still have the ability to do things, to walk, and I kept eating right and everything.

You're not going to gain weight by eating apples and bananas. You're not going to gain weight by eating healthy. To this day, I don't touch junk food. It's been now almost three years since I’ve had any junk food. I don't have a cake on my birthday. I don't have candy. I don't have chocolate. I don't have chips. I don't have ice cream. I don't have anything.

[00:24:53] Ashley James: That's interesting. I'd like to expand upon that. You said you don't have cake on your birthday, and I see some people, they'll eat healthily, but then they'll say, “Life is so short. We should have the cake on our birthday, and we should allow ourselves to have whatever we want at Thanksgiving as long as we eat healthy through the year.” Why do you think that that is a trap? Why do you avoid that behavior, and you choose to eat healthy 365 days a year?

[00:25:28] Tony Bussey: I would look back at those people, and I would say, ”Would a cocaine addict go and snort a line once a month to celebrate a birthday?”

[00:25:37] Ashley James: [laughs]

[00:25:38] Tony Bussey: Right? Would an alcoholic go every Saturday and say, “I'm going to have a drink today for a treat.”?

[00:25:46] Ashley James: It's a slippery slope.

[00:25:48] Tony Bussey: Why go back to the very thing that took away your happiness for so many years? It’s like getting punched in the face, and then finally having your black eye healed up, and then going back to that guy and saying, “Punch me again.” Why would people do that?

We got to stop treating food as an award, as a treat. There are other treats out there. Buying clothes, going for walks, going on trips, meeting new people.

Now I admit I was at the extreme side of waking, but for me, I have to treat it as an addiction. I've come to the realization that for the rest of my life, I will never have junk food. And right now I don't crave it. I don't want it. I mean if you or I was sitting here right now, and you were sitting down with a bag of chips and a chocolate bar, it wouldn't bother me one bit. I look at that stuff, and I get angry at it.

[00:26:56] Ashley James: Interesting. Tell us about your strategy. You get angry at the foods that harm your body.

[00:27:03] Tony Bussey: Yeah, because I look at that stuff and it put me in a prison. It almost took away my life. It took away my freedom. It took away my relationships. It took away a social aspect. It took away any joy. It took away any love. It took away years and years off my life. It took away memories. It took away trips. It took away money. It took away health. It took everything from me.

Now, it was my fault. I don't blame anybody. Nobody forced me to eat the way I did. I choose that. But I also choose now never to have it again. And now, I don't look at, “Poor Tony can't have cake. He can't have chips.” I might've lost that, but I've gained freedom. I've gained happiness. I've gained friendships. I've gained a social life. I've gained the ability to be free and travel. I've gained so much.

I've lost over 330 pounds, but I've gained a whole new life. Like I'll go into convenience stores, and I'll look at all that stuff, all it does is bring back those memories to me.

[00:28:20] Ashley James: Some people would think, “I don't want to be deprived. I don't want to feel deprived.” Do you feel deprived when you eat apples, bananas, and vegetables when you eat? When you eat healthy food, do you feel deprived or have you discovered that eating whole real healthy food tastes amazing? Have you discovered a whole new—were you surprised? As someone who ate junk food all the time, we think junk food is delicious, right? But then we get into eating vegetables. You Go, “Oh, my God. I didn't know how delicious vegetables were until you get into it.” Have you discovered how delicious healthy food is?

[00:29:03] Tony Bussey: It's amazing. I love those huge big apples. You sit down with a nice crisp, cold apple, that’s not raw and all in the middle, and you open it up, and it's just delicious. It's refreshing. You don't get the sugar. I used to get a sugar high, and then you would crash after. I don't get any of that anymore.

But the natural food that comes from the earth gives you such a natural feeling. There's no crashing. There are no bad side effects. It gives you the energy to go and have a beautiful life. I tell people when I get talking to friends and stuff, and I've used this example: if you're 18 years old or 16 years old, you have your license, and your father or mother comes up to you and says, “Here you go. Here's a vehicle. Here's a brand new car for you. But the only drawback is that's the only vehicle you can have for the rest of your life.”

[00:30:10] Ashley James: [laughs] You’d baby that dude. Oil changes every thousand miles.

[00:30:18] Tony Bussey: Yes, the best fuel. You would have that car detailed inside and out. You would avoid all the puddles. You would have the best tires on it. There wouldn't be a scratch on that vehicle.

[00:30:30] Ashley James: Amazing.

[00:30:32] Tony Bussey: We should treat our bodies the same way. Life is so short. Life has gone like a warm summer breeze before you know it is over. Why live filling ourselves up with junk?

[00:30:47] Ashley James: That's very beautifully said. I love it. You touched on that you noticed that when you did that 12 days in a row of night shifts or 5 or 12 days in a row of night shifts that you hadn't lost any weight, but then you would get back into routine for day shifts and you'd lose weight. Is that because you had sleep deprivation? What do you think changes us when we do night shifts, or when we lose sleep that has stopped losing weight?

[00:31:21] Tony Bussey: I had a friend of mine, she was a nurse, and she used to tell me that your metabolism will slow down. People are not meant to work nighttime. Your body is meant to be sleeping and everything. It just screws everything up. I'm not sure the exact science of it, but if anybody is listening to this right now going through their weight loss journey, a bit of advice I would give you is never to weigh yourself after a night shift. The scale won’t show anything, and I wouldn't want them to be discouraged and say, “I ate great for a week, and I haven't lost a pound. Screw it. I'm going to go back, eating ice cream.” Your body does different things. That's all. It could be [inaudible 00:32:07] food longer, all kinds of different things. But night shift screws you right up.

[00:32:15] Ashley James: I noticed that. I used to be diabetic, and I used food and natural medicine to reverse. Type 2 diabetes is 100% reversible. What I noticed is that when I had poor sleep, I had really bad blood sugar, and I would eat more. I'd have stronger hunger the next day. I'd want to eat more food. And if I didn't get enough sleep, there was a direct correlation between how much sleep I got and how many calories I consumed the next day.

And so, on times where I had a wonderful sleep, I ate less food. I was less hungry. My blood sugar was more balanced. I was just wondering if you noticed that when you work the night shift, it screwed with your sleep, so you didn't get enough rest, and your body was hungry, so you’re eating more food, and maybe you didn't get enough exercising because you're tired. It’s how sleep affects our ability to stay on track with our goals.

[00:33:17] Tony Bussey: Oh, yeah. Like I'll do 12-hour night shifts, so I'll usually eat around 10:30 or 11, then I'll snack for the rest of the night, and I'll have a bit of fruit at five in the morning. And then that'd be it until I wake up at two or three in the afternoon. But then I'll go for a long walk, and then I'll come back and make an omelet, and then I'm good to go. But, oh yeah, definitely I wake up and I'm hungry, but sleep is a huge thing with health. Your body needs a certain amount of sleep, and I still struggle with that to this day. I think I drink too much coffee, but that's Canadian in me. I'm a Tim Horton's addict.

[00:33:58] Ashley James: Right? They don’t know Tim Horton’s where I am.

[00:34:01] Tony Bussey: That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.

[00:34:04] Ashley James: Isn’t that the saddest thing ever? The closest Tim Horton’s is about three hours north of me. So yeah, I have to deal with that here. I think all Canadians are addicted to Tim Horton's.

[00:34:15] Tony Bussey: Oh, yeah. It's the only thing that's keeping Canada from breaking up. [laughs]

[00:34:24] Ashley James: So Tony, you've mentioned that you've done this by eating healthy and going on your walks, but what does eating healthy look like to you? There are so many diets out there that are conflicting. What did you discover that works best for you?

[00:34:42] Tony Bussey: I will tell you what I ate before first. For example, there'll be some evenings I would get off work, and I would go and get five pieces of fried chicken, a couple of large things of rings, two large root beers. I would eat that. And then about 20 minutes later, I would get a coffee with three sugar, three cream, three or four donuts, and I would go for a little drive. And then about 20 minutes, a half hour after that, I will get a large bag of chips, three or four ice cream sandwiches, and a couple of chocolate bars.

This was within a two-hour span, and this was practically every other day. I wouldn't come home unless I had junk food in the house. I drank a lot of pop. I was drinking 10, 11 cans of diet pop a day. A lot of chips, a lot of chocolate, a lot of ice cream. I love ice cream. It could get minus 30 up here, and I'd be sitting down with an ice cream sandwich.

But now I cut out, for example, I still drink coffee by drinking black. I go to Tim Horton's now, for example, here in Canada, now I either get a black coffee or just half a cream, but no sugar. I stay away from all processed sugar. I eat eggs. I'll have cheese. Usually, I’ll make it three eggs with cheese and mushroom, make an omelet. I’ll have steak. I’ll have chicken or salmon. I eat a lot of vegetables, and I eat a lot of fruits. I'll have a couple of apples, usually a couple of apples and a banana every day.

And I don't eat after six, so between five and six, that’s my last meal for the evening, and I walk every day, about three and a half to five kilometers a day. That's what I've been doing all the time.

Cutting out the processed sugar, that was hard in the beginning. I got a lot of headaches and stuff for about a month, but diet pop, that's the worst thing that you can have. I found that it gave me cravings for junk food.

[00:37:03] Ashley James: Wow.

[00:37:05] Tony Bussey: Yeah, I couldn't get enough in me for whatever reason. I got no scientific basis. I'm sure having one diet pop or whatever would be okay. But as I said, I was drinking 8, 9, 10, 11 cans of this a day. And it seemed like the more I drank, the more I would crave junk food, the more I would crave, the more I would want diet pop, and it would just go hand in hand. I couldn't get enough of either in me.

And now I, I haven't had pop in almost three years. I don't touch any junk food. No treats, what you would call normal treats. I don't have any of that. I stay away from breads and pasta. And I don't eat late at night.

[00:37:51] Ashley James: I like that you said don't eat after six. That's something I just started doing, and I've already noticed I feel better. I choose to eat healthily. I have for the last few years, and I’ve been on my health journey. But I noticed that I had gotten into this routine of eating a second dinner because we would eat supper early because we have a young kid in the house. And so we would get him fed around five, and then get him to bed. And then I'd stay up until 11 or so. And of course, a few hours later I'm hungry again, so I'd eat again. That became this slippery slope of eating out of habit, out of fun. It could be like “healthy food,” it's still consuming more calories at night before going to bed.

What do I need to do consuming 500 calories before bed? All I'm doing is sleeping. I don't need to eat more. And so choosing to not eat after six, like even having a piece of fruit in my hand because we just went to the Asian market, got some really cool stuff there.

[00:39:04] Tony Bussey: They got a lot of cool stuff there.

[00:39:05] Ashley James: Right? We're going to a barbecue this weekend. My husband's vegan and I have a day 23 of me not eating any meat, and I feel fantastic. It's a personal journey. I don't believe in any one diet dogma. I don't think everyone should be vegan, or everyone should be paleo. It's everyone's journey to figure out what their body needs.

[00:39:30] Tony Bussey: We should never judge anybody. I dated a girl there for a few months and a wonderful lady, and she was vegetarian. So out of respect for her when we were together, I would eat vegetarian with her, and I loved it. I didn't I was lacking or anything.

[00:39:48] Ashley James: Right. And I feel great. I can't believe it. I'm enjoying it. We're going to a barbecue this weekend at a friend's house, and so we're bringing a jackfruit with us. We're going to cut it up and barbecue the jackfruit. It’s going to be a lot of fun.

[00:40:03] Tony Bussey: That sounds delicious.

[00:40:04] Ashley James: So, yeah, yesterday we were at the Asian market. I picked out this exotic looking fruit. I thought this is great because we had already had dinner. It was going to be dessert. I get into the car. It was 6:20. I said, “Okay, I'm going to have this fruit tomorrow.” I’m not eating after six no matter what, and I can't believe it. I feel so good. It's sort of like intermittent fasting where you open up your eating window.

So if you stop eating at six, then you don't eat again till like 9 or 10 the next day. You decrease the amount of calories you consume, but also your body gets more time to rest and to heal.

[00:40:43] Tony Bussey: It's a mental thing, too.

[00:40:45] Ashley James: It is because now I want to go to bed sooner. It was like, what do I need to do staying up, I know how important sleep is, but I'm actually noticing my body is telling me, around nine o'clock, “Hey, it's time to wind down,” because I'm not going to the fridge. I'm not eating any more tonight. Now I’d say, “Hey, it's time to go to sleep. What are you doing?” It goes hand in hand. Not eating after six and making sure you get to bed on time because if you plan on eating more, you're going to stay up later.

And then when you're sleeping, you're still digesting, so that interrupts your sleep. I liked that you said that—no eating after six. What I want to know is, the night that you arrived in Edmonton from the fires from the second evacuation, where you had stolen someone's seat and the impact of your weight and the weight of that on you emotionally, how did you know what to eat? You had spent your entire life eating poorly. How did you know to cut out sugar, to eat fruits and vegetables, to cut out pasta and rice? What informed you?

[00:42:07] Tony Bussey: I had a friend of mine. She lives down in Virginia. She's Canadian, and she's married to a US Army airborne. I think he's special forces, but he runs triathlons and stuff also. He's in great shape and everything. I guess she got some advice off them, and she called me one evening, and she keeps in touch sometimes, especially during the fire and stuff. She said, “Tony, eat this and this and this, and don't eat this, this and this.” She just gave me a little bit of advice, and that was it. I just went with that.

I just started cutting out sugar. Basic common sense will tell you what's good and what's bad, and the little things that you would pick up, a little bit of advice from friends and stuff over the months and everything, and then what seemed to work for me, and I just kept going with it, and that was it. The big thing, like I said, like no eating late at night. For my trick, what I do, I get up early in the morning, like today, my day off, and I was up at 5:30 still. But now tonight, as you said, around nine o'clock I'll be getting tired. So now your tired instincts are taking over your hunger instincts. I think you go to bed, and then once you're in bed, you're too lazy to go to a fridge because you're too comfortable in bed.

And then I wake up—as soon as the daylight comes in the morning, and I wake up, and I was like, “Oh, I can eat again.” So I get up and make a breakfast, and I go for a walk and so on. She told me some things, and then I had some friends who would give me a little bit of advice here and there. But I just kept doing the same thing because I could feel things are getting looser. And then when I came back to Fort McMurray, and I realized I had 30 pounds gone, I was like, “Wow, this is working.” That was it then. It was the [inaudible 00:44:14].

[00:44:17] Ashley James: That is so cool. It sounds like part of what you did was listen to your body and listen to your intuition because you had a lot of advice being thrown at you. How did you know at a gut level what was working?

[00:44:35] Tony Bussey: You learn like through your own life experiences, I guess. I had one person tell me, “Be careful. I’m going [inaudible 00:44:44] what you eat.” To me, that's the reason why people give up so easily because they get all of these things thrown at them. All these things that seem so ridiculous, and they're like, “I can't do it.”

Just filter out all of that stuff. Use your common sense, and then go with that and feel yourself what works. I guess my gut instinct- I'm very, very stubborn. I just went with that, I had the 30 pounds gone, a few things work, and I was fine. Then the longer I went from processed sugar, the less and less I craved it. And I was eating completely healthy.

So I guess to me, my mindset was, if you're exercising and you're eating healthy, and you keep doing that, you're going to lose weight, because how can you not?

[00:45:48] Ashley James: The hardest thing we've seen with weight loss is maintaining it. It's pretty ridiculous. Something like only 0.8% of people who had been significantly obese are able to, in the long run, not gained back the weight. There's a very small chance, and I know you're doing it.

[00:46:12] Tony Bussey: That’s the same chance that Canada gets the Stanley Cup again.

[00:46:14] Ashley James: [laughs]

[00:46:16] Tony Bussey: I had to throw that in there. I’m just a sad, sad specimen here today. But all my hopes are on Toronto tonight, but I'm just a sad, sad state. But yes, it’s a very small chance. A lot of the most major things that have happened in this world, in the beginning it seemed very impossible that it was ever going to happen, but people kept at it.

If I would tell people, “Don't get discouraged,” I mean, you look at the moon landing. There was a small chance of that happening in the 60s, and it happened. Things that are happening every day—there are miracles happening every day that there's a small chance of happening, but it happens. If you look at most people that are successful, what they all have in common is they're very, very stubborn. They don't give up.

I look back, and I see people that have lost weight but have put it back on, and the one thing that they all seem to have in common is that they go back to eating junk food.

Just get rid of it. Just convince yourself that you're done with it. Especially with people that were my size. If you're listening to this and you're 400, 500, 600 pounds, get in your mindset that “No more am I ever going to have junk food.” Treat it like an alcoholic would treat booze.

[00:47:59] Ashley James: It’s ruining your life the same way as alcohol to an alcoholic.

[00:48:03] Tony Bussey: Hugely. For me, it was. This earth didn't start by having junk food in gardens. It was fruit and vegetables and things like that. We don't need it. You can treat yourself in other ways. So if you stay away from that, you will keep the weight off. Just keep doing what you did in the beginning.

I guess you can apply that to not only weight loss, but even relationships and everything. If you keep doing what you did in the beginning to meet a person, it will always be a success. Keep doing what you did in the beginning to lose the weight, and it will always be a success.

The problem with anything that people fail in, they always go back to the old ways. Just get in your mindset that you're done with that. If I can do it, anybody can. I was 41 years old. I was 561 pounds. I was living alone. I was eating all kinds of crap and putting into my body. I added muscle pain. I had foot pain. I would come home from work, and I would have blood rolling down from my belly because of the chafing.

I went through all of that, and I still lost the weight without surgery just naturally and just by eating right. To this day, I still haven't joined a gym. I tell people this so they can realize that there are no excuses. If they come to me and say, “Tony, I can't because my back hurts. Tony, I can't cause I'm 400 pounds.” I was 567.

“Tony, I can’t because I'm working too long days. I work 12-hour shifts.” “Tony, I can’t because I'm going and getting out of breath.” Well, so was I. There are no excuses.

But regardless of what choice you make, life is still moving on. Each day passes by. It's up to you. How do you want to live it? Every day we get up in the morning is a day closer or that we'll be done with this earth. Do you want to live the rest of your life trapped in addiction, or do you want to finally be done with it and go out and enjoy the world? It's full of beauty. That's the way I look at it.

[00:50:39] Ashley James: You live in some of the harshest climates. I live in a very moderate climate just outside of Seattle, where we get barely two inches of snow on most winters. We got rain, and I’m always using weather an excuse not to go out for a walk. We've got beautiful hiking; we call it hiking. It's hardly hiking. It's just a path in the woods. You can't call it hiking.

So we go hiking because it makes us feel like we’re—

[00:51:12] Tony Bussey: On Mount Everest.

[00:51:13] Ashley James: Yeah, exactly right. Really adventurous. We have these beautiful trails in the woods near our house, and they're so easy to walk. It's so beautiful, and it's so relaxing, and I use all the excuses in the world. “Oh, it's too sunny today. It's too rainy today. It's too cold today. It's too windy today.” It's just so silly.

Here you are in negative 40 degrees with the windshield and the snow in the winter going for your walks no matter what.

[00:51:43:41] Tony Bussey: No matter what, I’ve walked in everything from minus 52 to plus 35.

[00:51:48] Ashley James: That is very hot and very cold.

[00:51:53] Tony Bussey: I'm not trying to make things sound simple, but I guess you just got to pick your pain. Do you stay trapped in that body that's almost 600 pounds, and that is a full-time pain? If you don't do anything about it, you're going to be that way till the day you die. Or do you go out in the minus 50 or the plus 30? Do you walk with the back pain and foot pain and go through the hunger cravings. But as you do that, you're losing the weight, so that pain becomes temporary.

Either you stay with a full time, permanent pain or you go and do something, and you go through a temporary pain to have a life that you dream of. But either way, life is moving by, so you got to pick the way that you want to live it.

[00:52:55] Ashley James: I want to know what happened in the early 2000s that led up to the weight gain that happened in 2004. Was there anything going on in your life emotionally, between the year 2000 and 2004 that had you want to go to food for so much pleasure during that road trip?

[00:53:22] Tony Bussey: I think about it a lot, and I'm a big proponent of self-responsibility. I don't blame anybody for what happened. Nobody forced me to eat the way I did or to live the way I did. But I believe it was a lot of loneliness.

I was with this wonderful woman there for about four years. She was pregnant at the time when we started dating, and the little girl that she had, her daughter, is still in my life to this day. We stay close, she calls me dad and so on. But when we broke up, I think that had an effect. The fact that it took me a while to move on from that, and then just being away from family. All my family live on the east coast and so on. I think it was the loneliness that triggered that.

As I said, I'm not blaming her. A lot of people go through breakups and stuff and don't eat the way I did. Nobody forced me. We have a wonderful friendship now. She's a wonderful woman, but that might have been part of it. Like I said, just being away from family and so on, but just a lot of loneliness, so I turned to food for comfort.

The one thing about food, unlike other drugs, I guess you could say, it's readily accessible. You don't have to go down a back alley to find it. You don't have to pull up to some shady looking car or whatever and get a little paper bag full of chocolate bars at midnight. You can go anywhere and get it, and for that brief moment, it gives you pleasure.

For that brief moment, while you're eating it, whether it's a big old box of chicken wings or five gallons of ice cream or whatever it is, you forget everything. But that temporary happiness brings your permanent pain.

So I think a lot of that. It was a lot of loneliness and just being away from everybody and so on. And then like I said earlier, as you put on more weight and you gain more weight, you become more depressed. After a while, not even anything to do with the loneliness. Now you're just becoming depressed because you're so big and now that's making you more lonely because the bigger you are, the less you want to go out. The last thing an obese and extremely obese person wants to do is to be around people because you're constantly stared. You just become a hermit.

[00:56:20] Ashley James: It exacerbates the problem.

[00:56:24] Tony Bussey: Oh, yeah. Food becomes your best friend. If something good happens in life, you get food. If something bad happens in life, you get food. If you're bored, you get food because you have no social life anymore. That's your social life.

[00:56:40] Ashley James: What's that syndrome where you love your captor?

[00:56:44] Tony Bussey: Oh, yes, the Stockholm Syndrome.

[00:56:46] Ashley James: Yeah, you have Stockholm Syndrome around food.

[00:56:49] Tony Bussey: Yeah, “chip-drome” syndrome, I guess you could say—”ice cream-drome syndrome.” But yeah, I guess you could say that.

[00:56:59] Ashley James: It's interesting that you had withdrawal symptoms for a month when you cut out sugar and all the junk food. Yes. How did you get through it? How did you make sure you stuck with it? Did you ever have any doubts while you're going through those headaches or in all the withdrawal symptoms, or did they motivate you further? Did you say, “Wow, this is how bad the stuff was for my body. Look, my body's having withdrawal symptoms.”

[00:57:27] Tony Bussey: Well, it's just, you got to push through it because like I say you got to pick your pain. I knew I could not keep going on with that old life. I didn't know how long I had left. My life was destroyed. It’s almost like something in my head was saying, “Tony, if you don't do it now, there are no more chances.”

So you push through it because either you push through the withdrawals, you push through that pain because either way you're going through pain—physical, mental pain. So I guess in a way that was my advantage because if you're going to go through pain regardless, then you pick the pain that at least got a positive outcome if you go through it. So you push through that sugar withdrawal. You should push through the physical pain of walking and all that stuff because at least, at the end of that there's a positive outcome. There's freedom—there’s freedom of movement, there’s physical freedom, there's mental freedom, there's everything. You finally have the life that you've always dreamed of.

But if you stop then and you give up everything, and you go back to your old ways, now you've got physical pain of being obese, and all that leads to is death. So you pick one, and that's what I did. I pushed through it because I knew I couldn't keep living the way I was living.

[00:58:55] Ashley James: For those listeners who are currently battling an addiction, whether it's with food, drugs or alcohol, what advice do you have that can help them to get to that place mentally where they can pick their life back up, where they can transform themselves as you did on that day in May of 2016 when you were flown into Edmonton, and the light switch went on in your brain? Can you help us to switch that light switch in us as well?

[00:59:40] Tony Bussey: I would say to that person that you're worth it. You're worth the love—just to love yourself, to look into that mirror and love yourself. What I mean by that is that anybody that's listening to this now, if they got a loved one that needed them to get up today and walk five kilometers to give them something or do something for them, they would do it. Then why can't you do that for yourself?

You're valuable. You're worth the love. You’re a wonderful creature. You're a wonderful person. No matter what you're going through, if it's drugs, if it's alcohol, you're meant more for a lot more in this life than to be overcome with addiction all the time. No matter who you are, no matter who is listening to this, you're a beautiful person with beautiful abilities, and you’re worth the struggle, and you’re worth the pain to overcome those addictions.

The strength is in your mind to do it. You just have to tap into it. I’m not trying to sound cliche or corny or anything, but the ability is there to change your life. Just get up in the morning and say this is the day and keep going. Because either way, if you're going through addiction, whether it's alcohol, drugs, whatever, that's painful. That's a horrible life.

So if you don't decide to go through the pain of the withdrawal of that, then you're going to go back to the pain of the addiction. So either way, you're going through something. But pick the one that leads to a positive outcome. You are worth it, and you can do it. And then you have a life that you could only dream of, but you are worth it.

Just start. That's what I would say. And don't give up.


[01:01:44] Ashley James: That's beautiful now. For those who are struggling and want to transform their lives, you have a beautiful book that you wrote. Tell us about your book.

[01:01:55] Tony Bussey: My book is called Through Thick and Thin: How the Wildfire was a Wakeup Call to Transform My Life. Next book I put out, I'm going to try to get a longer title.

[01:02:04] Ashley James: [laughs] Yeah, that's a really short title. I sat down with a friend of mine, Mark Griffin, and we wrote the book together. I wanted to write a book because I wanted people to read about my day-to-day experiences of what it was like to be obese. I want people to read this and say, “Holy cow, Tony went through everything that I'm going through now. Every time I turn the page, there's another experience that he had that I'm going through right now.”

No matter what you're dealing with—addictions, bad relationships, financial problems, whatever—there's nothing worse than feeling like you're the only person in the world that's going through it. And if somebody can read my book and realize, “Okay, I'm not the only person that's going through it. There's somebody else that went through everything that I did and maybe even worse so, and he lost the weight, and there was no gimmick, no fad diet, no expense…” (I actually saved money because buying junk food is horrible. It's very expensive. I didn't even join the gym. Just walking and eating right.)

And if they can see all of that, then that hopefully will give them hope and encourage them to start their journey. So I just wanted them to read the book and realize that there are other people out there that are struggling like they are. The book is very real. It's not perfect, but it's definitely very real, and they can definitely get a sense of what I went through day to day and hopefully relate to it.

[01:03:51] Ashley James: Since you came out with your book, what kind of stories of success, what kind of testimonials have come from your readers?

[01:04:01] Tony Bussey: I’ve had people write to me and say they started walking. They started exercising. I have people writing to me and saying they were crying when they read it. I don't like making people cry, but yeah, they would say that. I've had gentlemen come up and talk to me and say they're starting their weight loss and shake my hand and stuff, and thanks for the encouragement.

There was one message I had in particular a couple of years ago or a year ago. This was before my book, and they wrote to me on Facebook. It was a gentleman down in the States. I forget his name, but he was dealing with cancer. He said that gave him encouragement to keep going on and stuff like that. That's what means the most to me—getting the messages of encouragement and knowing that people are starting their weight loss journey or dealing with own things in life, and they’re getting encouragement and strength from it. That means a lot to me.

[01:05:05] Ashley James: That's beautiful. I love it. Well, I love what you're doing.

[01:05:10] Tony Bussey: Thank you.

[01:05:11] Ashley James: I'm a big fan of your mission and your story. Your website is a busseytony.com. We're going to have the link to your site and the link to your book in the show notes of today's podcast at learntruehealth.com so listeners can definitely check you out.

Now I have to thank you because you work 12-hour shifts at a difficult job and that on your day off, you chose to spend your precious day off with us. I feel so honored that you could come.

[01:05:51] Tony Bussey: I’m the honored one. I feel privileged that you wanted me on your show. I admire you greatly. I think you're doing a wonderful thing. You have thousands of listeners, and if just one person out of all of this can be changed with this, it's a success.

[01:06:12] Ashley James: Absolutely.

[01:06:14] Tony Bussey: People ask me what I consider success. If I’m 85 years old and I'm on my death bed, and somebody comes up to me and says, “Tony, I changed my life because of what you did,” then your life is a success. That's all I want.

[01:06:27] Ashley James: Absolutely. You've already accomplished that today. I just know it. You've changed my life. All the other listeners are like—I want to say icing on the cake, but what's the healthy version of that? Like they’re the crunch in the apple.

[01:06:44] Tony Bussey: Natural peanut butter on an apple.

[01:06:46] Ashley James: There you go. I like it. Very cool. And you want to get into public speaking. I think you're a wonderful presenter. So for those listeners who are looking for a keynote speaker or looking for a speaker for their event, please consider Tony because I think your audience, just like I know my audience loved hearing from you today, I know that any audience would be happy to learn from you. So I encourage listeners who are looking for a speaker to reach out to Tony.

[01:07:17] Tony Bussey: I got an Instagram account, tonybussey123. They can write to me there. Write to me on my website. Add me on Facebook. I have a speaking engagement here in Fort McMurry. Later in June, I got one down in Edmonton. Next month, I'm speaking to a women's group down there. I enjoy it. I spoke to Ashley at Bodybuilding Group last year in Calgary. I gave out some awards and stuff. It's fun. I really enjoy it.

[01:07:46] Ashley James: That's cool. Awesome. To wrap up today's interview, I'd love for you to complete this interview by sharing. Do you have any final thoughts or homework for us, or is there anything that you want to say that was left unsaid?

[01:08:05] Tony Bussey: I would say if anything, realize—and I try to get it through people when I talk to them—life is really, really short. It definitely is. It goes by, and I keep saying this, just like a warm summer breeze. From a Canadian perspective, very, very, very fast.

But you don't have to be trapped in any bad situation. You have the freedom, and you have the power in your mind to change that. I'm proof of that, and now you can't wipe the smile off my face. I would suggest to anybody that's listening to this episode right now, to sit down with a piece of paper and write down what it is that you want to change in your life. What is it that's making your life unhappy, that gives you unhappy moments, and then use that and change that. Write down steps to change it and start because—it's kind of hard to explain, but everybody has goals, and they'll always say, “A year from now, I want to be here. Two years from now, I want to be in this stage of my life.”

The two years have come, and it's here like a blink of an eye, and they get there, and it's like, “Okay, I'm still in the same boat.” But when you start that goal, it seems like two years is such a long way away, it presents a big obstacle. I guess kind of what I'm trying to say is time is your advantage, that if you just start every day and start doing your thing, the two years will be here before you know it, and you will finally have the life that you want. It's kind of hard for me to explain, but that's what I would suggest.

[01:10:00] Ashley James: I totally get it. You imagine yourself two years from now having achieved your goal and then use the fact that time flies to your advantage to keep motivating you to keep moving towards your goal. Because if you do a baby step every day for two years—boom! Two years are here, and you've achieved it.

[01:10:21] Tony Bussey: Two years is gone like a blink of an eye. But when we sit down and we say two years in the beginning or five years, whatever it is—

[01:10:27] Ashley James: It’s daunting.

[01:10:28] Tony Bussey: Yeah, it seems like a huge mountain. But before you know it, you're on top of that mountain. You're looking down, and then you realize that happiness—I mean right now I get up in the morning and it feels like a dream come true. I can't believe because less than three years ago, I was in a body that was 567 pounds. I was having blood from skin chafing. My feet were killing me. My back was killing me. My legs—I would get up in the morning, I have to stand by my bed for 20 minutes to get the circulation back through my legs. I would wake up in the middle of the night choking because my weight was collapsing on me and I couldn't breathe.

Then on top of that, I was completely alone. I was just sad. I was depressed. I felt totally trapped. And just from small steps in the beginning and keeping at it—just repetition—here I am now, I weigh about 235 pounds. I walk four to five kilometers a day. I'm out meeting new people. I'm traveling. I'm eating healthy. I don't touch any junk food. Life is a wonderful trip right now.

I sound like somebody from the 70s, like Dr. Johnny Fever of WKRP. But it's true, though. It's a natural high. Coming from Canada, where everything is basically legal. That something to be said.

[01:12:08] Ashley James: We want to get high off of life. We want to get so high off of healthy food and walking, love and connection, and being in love with our body and in love with life. We want to get high off of all this stuff that’s good for us.

[01:12:24] Tony Bussey: And they can't tax that, so there.

[01:12:26] Ashley James: So there. We want to get high of all the stuff they can't tax. I love it.

[01:12:30] Tony Bussey: Yes, perfect.

[01:12:32] Ashley James: Groovy. Tony, it's been so awesome having you on the show. I love it.

[01:12:38] Tony Bussey: This has been one of my favorite interviews. I love this—just talking. You've been absolutely wonderful, and I thank you for having me. It's been quite the honor, and it’s the highlight of my day and my week. I appreciate it.

[01:12:49] Ashley James: Thank you. Wonderful. I'm going to make sure that we post in the show notes on learntruehealth.com. We're going to have some of your before and after photos. We'll definitely check those out. We also have a Facebook group, the Learn True Health Facebook group. You're welcome to join it. We'd love to have you join us.

[01:13:08] Tony Bussey: Yes, definitely will.

[01:13:09] Ashley James: After this episode airs, we can start a conversation. So all the listeners have questions for you that want to tell you what impact your story had in their life. You'll be able to hear that in our Facebook group. That would be awesome.

So listeners, come to the Facebook group and chat with Tony. Tony, you're welcome there. Can't wait to see you in the Facebook group. Just search Learn True Health on Facebook or go to learntruehealth.com/group to redirect you to the Facebook group.

[01:13:35] Tony Bussey: Perfect.

[01:13:36] Ashley James: It's been such a pleasure, Tony.

[01:13:37] Tony Bussey: Awesome. A lot of fun.

[01:13:39] Ashley James: Please stay in touch. We want to continue to hear about your success and the impact that you have on the world. It truly is inspiring to hear your story and the ripple effect that's taking place because you're choosing to dedicate your life to sharing your story with others.

[01:13:55] Tony Bussey: I hope it does. I hope even just one person, and it can change their life—I'm a happy man. That and if Canada ever gets the cup again, that's another.

[01:14:03] Ashley James: [laughs] God willing.

[01:14:07] Tony Bussey: Holy cow. That's definitely a miracle right there.

[01:14:12] Ashley James: Thank you, Tony.

[01:14:13]Tony Bussey: You’re welcome. Thank you. Have a good day. Bye Bye.

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Ashley James is a Holistic Health Coach, Podcaster, Rapid Anxiety Cessation Expert, and avid Whole Food Plant-Based Home Chef. Since 2005 Ashley has worked with clients to transform their lives as a Master Practitioner and Trainer of Neuro-linguistic Programming.

Her health struggles led her to study under the world’s top holistic doctors, where she reversed her type 2 diabetes, PCOS, infertility, chronic infections, and debilitating adrenal fatigue.

In 2016, Ashley launched her podcast Learn True Health with Ashley James to spread the TRUTH about health and healing. You no longer need to suffer; your body CAN and WILL heal itself when we give it what it needs and stop what is harming it!

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