424: Messages from Eric Thorton on COVID-19

Eric Thorton And Ashley James


  • We need healers of all types
  • Heal our heart chakra issue to fight the virus
  • The immune system doesn't work right when we have fear and anxiety
  • Eat right and support community
  • Fear is weak, and love is strong

Fear and anxiety have weakened our heart chakra over the years. When we have a weakened heart chakra, we have a lower immune system, and it’s harder for us to fight diseases. Eric Thorton is back on the show with us to help us understand how a weakened heart chakra relates to COVID-19 and how to get our heart chakra back in balance. He also tells us what we should do to eliminate the COVID-19 virus.

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[00:00:00] Ashley James: Welcome to the Learn True Health podcast. I’m your host, Ashley James. This is episode 424. I am so excited for today's guest. We have back on the show Eric Thorton. This is your ninth time being on the show. I'm pretty sure this is your ninth time.

[00:00:23] Eric Thorton: Yeah, I think it is. It’s pretty amazing. I get a lot of great feedback from people too. I enjoy doing it. The guides have a lot to say, and that applies to us particularly right now.

[00:00:40] Ashley James: Right, right. So for listeners who are tuning in for the first time and haven't heard our past eight other episodes with Eric Thorton, Eric is an exorcist. He was born with the ability to talk to and see—communicate with angels and guides. He is a spiritual—it's like a spiritual health coach. I'm a health coach, you’re a spiritual health coach.

[00:01:09] Eric Thorton: That's right, and a healer.

[00:01:12] Ashley James: Right, yes. I like to say on the show, “I'm the biggest open-minded skeptic.” I'm like okay anything. I could just keep my mind wide open, why not? Why not just be open-minded, but I'm also very skeptical. Our first interview was really cool, but there's the back of my mind going, “Well, maybe it's just him saying he's doing this stuff.” My husband had a session with you before I had a session, right? My husband was going through something and so he said, “Can I go first?” I'm like, “Okay. So I dropped my husband off, he works with you for a few hours, and I came and picked him up. His voice dropped like two octaves. It was really neat. It was very interesting.

He was in constant background anxiety, constant fear, constant worry was running in his body at all times. His voice was a little high. The things you guys worked on spiritually and energetically turned off the stress response and it healed. Whatever you did that was like, I don't know, six months ago, eight months ago, something like that. He had a great first session. Then I had my session with you, and I had an outstanding totally undeniably amazing session. Really, really, really got that the work that you do is real. I had first-hand experience of it several times. Since then, my husband and I have worked with you several times, and you've also worked with several of our best friends. They have all had great experiences with you. This is something that not every therapist is meant for every person.

[00:03:13] Eric Thorton: Correct.

[00:03:15] Ashley James: That's why you do an intake at the beginning when you work with people, and you talk to the guides, and talk to their guides, and see if it's a good match. The work that you do is so broad because you're working on emotional, mental, spiritual, physical issues on a different plane of existence that we're used to handling things on. It's the unseen, but we definitely have an effect. We can feel it. Sometimes we can hear it. I've talked about that in my past interviews. We can feel it.

[00:03:49] Eric Thorton: Right, it’s also helped past lives and how past lives affect us too. It gives us stressors and makes us vulnerable to take you on other people's words, energies, thought forms, etc. We work on a very different level than most healers. I'm not invalidating anyone here. It's just the levels we work on are different. We need healers of all types. It takes a village. I am very, very open-minded and encourage everybody to, you got a problem, find your village. If I'm a part of it, great. If I'm not, that's fine too.

Sometimes my job is to unlock one little key in someone. They may not be really happy with the session, but then they go on to another healer and it works.

[00:04:54] Ashley James: Because you untrapped things, you got things moving. You removed blockages that were stopping them, and then other things can work. My son all of a sudden developed some very weird allergies out of nowhere. I asked you to check on him and you received the information that he had activated some trauma from a past life, and it made total sense as to what he was experiencing now. We were able to work on that for him. I’ve been taking him to doctor after doctor after doctor, and of course, these doctors are looking at what medication—either a natural medication like homeopathy, and what herbs, and what vitamins can we give him, what things can we do with his diet? Then an MD is like, “What drug can we give him?”

Of course, we want to obviously look at physical health on the physical plane. It's not resolving if the root cause is in the spiritual and energetic realm. You've mentioned before on the show is that—for thousands and thousands of thousands of years—we used to have healers like you in every village—the shaman, or the priest, or the energy healer. In the last 500 years, it's really been suppressed. Our power’s been taken away. Now, the healers are starting to pop back up because information is free now. We're not suppressed like we were 100 years ago. Information is free.

[00:06:41] Eric Thorton: In our country, be careful. We got to remember that. It is in our country. We still have a lot of persecution and things in our country. The beautiful part is, science has helped us in many ways. It has taken us from burning people at the stake because a cow or a series of animals had mad cow disease or something that they didn't know. There were these tiny microscopic bacteria so they blamed the person and called him a witch or something like that. It's taken the mystical out of our lives, and so we can actually get to healing, and get to understanding, and full understanding of what's going on the planet—or a much fuller understanding—so that we can look at it as a whole.

Where we go—I feel we go wrong—as a race is we try to say ours is the only way. Western medicine, it's only this way. Naturopathic, it's only this way, etc. I'm here to say, “No, it's all of it. There are benefits to all of it.” If you have a block in any of them—let’s say you're allergic to a medication that a Western medicine person can't give you, it isn’t going to work. You're allergic to it. If you got something that's causing you to be allergic to it that's energetic and we remove it, all of a sudden the medication works. That goes for Naturopathic, that goes for acupuncture, Reiki, on and on and on, all modalities.

That's why I'm very much encouraged all kinds of village to help people heal. Maybe with your son, us removing that block made it so his body can heal, can look at it in a different way, and the Naturopath can help him where maybe they couldn't have before. He was young so hopefully, we were able to reduce his allergies quite quickly, but like I said, I haven't talked to you about that until now. Anyway, there are many, many things that go into our daily lives. It is not one single modality. When I'm talking, like today, I sometimes will use information quoting somebody, but most of it's coming from my guides. I quantify that. I do not diagnose, I do not claim to know the whole truth in any way, shape, or form.

These are ideas that I get from my guides. The work seems to be proven out by science or an end results, that's what I like. Like with what's going on today, there are many, many reasons energetically why we are weak and susceptible to the COVID-19 virus. There are many reasons. Today, I want to like to discuss a few of those.

[00:10:06] Ashley James: Sure, sure. There are people on both sides of the fence right now. In terms of the COVID-19, there are people who are demanding that our rights be taken away, that we have more restrictions on us, that we should become even stricter to force people to stay at home nationwide and in other countries as well. There are people who want martial law essentially because we have to stop the spread. There's this school of thought, and then there's another set of people who are upset that our rights are being taken away. That no one's protesting that, and they believe that this is hurting more people than saving people by forcing people to stay home and shutting down businesses.

We have both sides, right? Then you see there are so many articles out there with opposing views, with information that conflicts itself. Some say that the common flu, influenza—Influenza A, whatever influenza it is—more people die each year of that. “Why don't we take these kinds of measures for influenza if more people die of that than the coronavirus?” That's what they're saying, and then other people are saying, “Well, look at the rate at which it spreads. It's much, much, much faster.”

I think it's like almost 10% more, but they're showing that you're much more likely to be infected by the coronavirus. It spreads quicker, it has a higher death rate, but the numbers—the problem is—there's not enough testing. There's definitely not enough testing. Studies today or articles written by doctors today talking about how they believe—and this was like in Yahoo News or something, this is mainstream. This isn't just someone somewhere saying this in a blog. There's a belief that millions of people have had it, and are already immune to it, and this has actually been around a lot longer—the COVID-19 has been around a lot longer.

Anyway, there's so much opposing information. I don't necessarily want to say disinformation because I think that there's a lot of people trying to pull together very quickly, because this is happening very fast. It was March 8 in the state of Washington, all of the bars and restaurants were shut down. This is just a few weeks ago that my state was starting to take action. The government was starting to implement actions, so things were starting to crack down and get serious just a few weeks ago. We're scrambling to try to make sense of the numbers because the death rates, Italy being the highest, something like 9% now, I just read in an article, whereas a few days ago they were saying it was 4% death rate.

If we're not interesting enough people, we're not testing, we're only testing the people who are sick. What if millions or more people actually had it and just didn't have it so it wasn't really severe? Again, we want every death to be prevented. I'm not saying that we should just all go about our business. The point is that lots of information, lots of conflict, and it's a stressor. Again, because society has something to fight about and to shame each other for. One of my friends is really afraid to leave her house and go for a walk because she doesn't want her neighbors to be angry at her because people are actually being angry at each other for being outside.

You are not going to spread the virus if you're going for a walk. That's not how it works. You're going for a walk in nature, you're in sunlight, that's actually recommended. The misinformation, people are taking it to the extreme. What I'd like is just to cover, gain some clarity. What information have you received or can you receive from your guides, from angels, from the spiritual realm that can help us to understand. What could we do? What could we do to create the Goldilocks effect? Should we all stay in our homes? Is this something we should be really worried about? Is this going to blow over like the H1N1, and Zika, and all those other ones where it gets really big and then blows away? Is it worse than we're thinking, or is it not as bad as we're thinking? What information are you receiving from the spiritual realm?

[00:15:37] Eric Thorton: I'm working with a number of people that have been exposed but not have it. Some people have it. The information I get from the guides is the reason this virus has taken such a large hold—and it is real. We do need to take care, but we need to not panic. The reason we're panicking and in ego is because of the years we've had of heart chakra issues. This is what the guides have pointed out very clearly to me—a number of times with a number of different guides too—is for the last three and a half years, we have had a tremendous amount of political unrest.

I'm not siding with either side—both sides in our country have problems—but there has been so much political unrest. We were through 9/11, which directly affected the heart chakras. We were through the 2007-2008 crash, which directly affected our safety which affects our heart chakras. Now, remember, the heart chakra concludes the lungs. We go through these cycles where we are informed, misinformed, things like that through the news media through our own interpretations of what is being said out there. That affects us and give us anxiety. Remember, anxiety is in the heart chakra. After this three and a half, four years of this, our heart chakras are like with any chakra—if it was affected that much—the physical tissue within that chakra becomes weaker.

We've had this political unrest for all these years. I don't care which side of the aisle you're on, you got the political unrest, so our heart chakras are weak. Any virus would affect our lungs very easily. Because we've been under this stress and this anxiety, it hasn't led up. Now we're in the middle of a political campaign, and all this crap that's coming out in that—and excuse me I'm using word crap loosely here.

[00:18:13] Ashley James: It’s a technical term.

[00:18:16] Eric Thorton: It’s a technical term describing a whole lot of things that I don't need to discuss right now, right? It’s their agendas, and it keeps us all in turmoil, and then this hits. It's not a man-made virus. The coronavirus has the CDC it's very clear that it's been in animals in the United States for the last 20 years. It started transferring—just as though it's what the CDC said—and it was proven out by what's occurred, which I'm just going to go quickly with this. That it started to transfer from animal to human. That's generally not a problem—at least through history.

In history, you have an animal that's sick, it dies. We try to keep the animal alive, we keep them in herds, the disease spreads within their herds because we eat meat. Animal husbandry is what keeps the animals together, which keeps viruses together, which builds the viruses within the animals. That also includes parasites which is something else we'll talk about later as well, other diseases. The virus has been there just like every other virus we've ever had. Neanderthal Homo Erectus had no viruses. They had bacterial infections from the earth things like that, but they had no viruses. They died from bacteria from getting cuts just like a leopard would or a giraffe.

If they got a big cut, they would from the abscess, or die from malnutrition, or starvation because they couldn't get food at the time. That's what killed them. Today, we keep animals in groups. It's been proven—beyond any shadow of a doubt—that eating animal flesh, there's a little bit of benefit to eating a little bit some people, but most of us animal flesh causes 180 of our major diseases. Then all these viruses: the bird flu, the avian flu, all the measles, all of polio, things like that all coming from eating animals. Just saying, I've been shown that we should be reducing that to keep the health of the planet going.

[00:20:51] Ashley James: When you say the health of the planet, it's not just pollution or global warming stuff agenda. The spread of viruses is from animal husbandry.

[00:21:04] Eric Thorton: Right, when it's a problem, the way Western medicine looks at it, when the virus transfers to a human, they better get a vaccine. Now, vaccines have their problems. I don't want to discuss that here right now, but when it goes from an animal to human, that's when they start doing the research. When it transfers from one human then to another human, that's when we get a problem. They started studying the coronavirus and doing work at the UW that's called the Kaiser Permanente Lab and the CDC lab in Shoreline, as well as all around the world. The pandemic organization within the CDCs around the world, tell people when these viruses have transferred to a human, so they can all work together to create a vaccine. Well, it happened.

In our country, which is a major amount of money goes to this, generally speaking. It was being done at the University of Washington here in Seattle at the Kaiser Permanente—what's called now Kaiser Permanente Lab—because they're funding and they’re paying for the sign on the outside. I don't know what it is. When number 45 became president, they were ready to test the vaccine on humans. They also had that massive ability to build good quality testing for mass quantity testing ready to go as well. They put that, and then they lost the funding, and it shut down completely.

Within a week of March 8, if you recall, the UW Lab announced that they were, it was within 10 days, that they had announced that they were revamping this thing that had been on nitrogen—this vaccine. Within a few days, they were testing it on people.

[00:23:30] Ashley James: They didn’t just invent it, they invented it a while ago.

[00:23:33] Eric Thorton: No, they had it. They invented it when Trump was going coming off this 2012 or what? No, this is 2019 so it was to 2016, it's when they lost their funding. So it was just sitting there on ice ready to go, and now it's going. It takes years to develop a virus to get it to the point of being able to try it out on humans.

[00:23:58] Ashley James: You mean a vaccine?

[00:23:59] Eric Thorton: A vaccine, excuse me. To try it on. You're right. They were already doing it because it was sitting there on ice because the money was taken away. They're trying it. It takes at least a year studying it to see if it does harm, or how much to do, and how much to give people? Again, vaccines aren't the greatest thing in the world, but if a bunch of people gets the vaccine and it stops the virus, then it protects everybody. Now, ethically, there's a whole lot of questions about that, and there are other ways of creating vaccines rather than having heavy metals in them. That's proven by other countries of the world, but it's still—if we had a vaccine—it would help slow this. We don't have the vaccine so we have to keep apart.

We don't have a way of stopping it yet for a large portion of the population whether you agree with vaccines or not, have one yourself or not. A lot of people do, and they do work very well. They can cause other things too—again, I don't want to talk about that right now, but they do work.

There's a threshold—and I forget the name of it, and I'm not going to recall it right now—of the amount of people that need to be vaccinated in order to stop like TB, or measles, or the chickenpox, or whatever else. There has to be a percentage, and they've got to figure it out. It's like measles is highly contagious so 93% of the population—they figure—should be vaccinated in order to get rid of the measles around the whole planet. I believe it was polio they needed 70% of the population vaccinated to get the same effect. So different things, different diseases require different amounts of the population to have these vaccines.

Do I wish they made the vaccines better? You bet you. Didn't put the heavy metals in them big time, but we don't have that now. The virus is out there. It is irrelevant where it came from at this point. It is irrelevant—in my opinion—who started, who's blaming, this and that and the other. If we can get out of our ego and get our heart chakra back balanced, we're not going to fight this. The only way to fight a pandemic—if you don't have medicine for it—is to not spread it. When our heart chakras out of balance, our integrity goes out of balance, our anxiety goes up. Like you said, your friend won't go out of the house. Well, why not? It's because she's full of anxiety, and so her integrity is out of balance. Then someone says something and their brain is going to fill in the blanks and turn it into—let's say someone says, “You need to be 40 feet from somebody to not get it.”

Well, a person full of anxiety is going to go, “Oh my god. It’s got to be 40 feet wait,” and they're going to take that as God's truth. Yet it's just hearsay. We got the younger generations. Younger generations will be listening to this. Well, frankly our generations too. We've been spoiled by our own work, our own efforts, our own technologies, etc., and we don't like to give them up. So people sit there and go, “I don't want to do that. It sounds all about me.”

The more anxiety we have the more it's about me. We've had this three-four year build-up of anxiety, and this is like a big fat cherry right on top of a sundae of anxiety. The anxiety they're having—I have noticed, and the guides have said—this is from the political agendas around the world, and the disruption to the matrix of the human matrix around the planet. They've shown me—very clearly on many people through the years, not just with this—that when we have anxiety our immune system goes down. This is also proven scientifically. You can go look it up. I'm not going to quote anything right now because there's so much proof with that.

When we have anxiety, the immune system doesn't work right. Our adrenaline is through the roof. Our endorphins are low because we have so much adrenaline that's firing off to get the hormone cycles. We need a dopamine that it doesn't come through joy. When you get the hormone cycles through joy, the end result is endorphins, which kill viruses, kill bacteria, kill funguses, kill cancer, but when we get our hormones through the adrenal cycle, we get very little endorphins. Those endorphins are part of our defense system. Then, also, anxiety makes us digest food wrong. When we digest food wrong or we eat the wrong food—as many people participate in as looking at the grocery stores today—we eat junk food, our immune systems can't operate correctly.

It's interesting, everybody knows—because of many things in my life—I became whole food plant-based and learned a great deal about it, and I promote that because it is the only major science on nutrition. I go to the grocery store these days, and you look through the stores because there are so many people that are hoarding, the shelves are empty of all the junk. You go over to the produce department, it's full. That's what we need to eat to kill the viruses.

[00:30:24] Ashley James: Yeah, I just did a two and half hour interview with a really good Naturopathic physician, and we talked about that. We talked about exactly what you can do to prevent, I don't want to say prevent getting it, but it’s how can you set your body up for success so you can be the 80% of the population that is asymptomatic. That will get the virus and have zero symptoms, and the body mounts a response, the immune system figures out its antibodies, figures it out, kills the virus, gets it out of your system, and you’re done. Now, your immune system knows what to do when the virus comes back around. It knows exactly what to do.

The 80% of the people out there that are completely asymptomatic are not deficient in zinc, are not deficient in vitamin C, are not deficient in vitamin D, are not at high, high, high cortisol stress, are not sleep-deprived, or eating a balanced diet. They're taking care of their body—they're the ones eating the nine cups of fruits and vegetables a day, or taking some vitamins.

He talked about exactly what we can do to build our health from the ground up. His first thing, the number one most important thing you should do is a whole food plant-based diet to support the immune system. He says it’s absolutely the most protective. Out of all the diets out there, it’s the most protective of the immune system. He is not against using other diets therapeutically, for example, like a green ketogenic diet or whatever. He uses other diets for specific people, specific instances, but in the general broad, if you want to build your immune system, whole food plant-based no processed food, so no sugar, no processed.

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[00:32:25] Eric Thorton: No processed foods, no sugar, no oil. No oil, no meat. No oil outside of what's in fruits and vegetables and they're full of oil.

[00:32:35] Ashley James: Nuts, and seeds, and legumes, and whole grains.

[00:32:40] Eric Thorton: Right, right. It's because these items are God-given and antioxidants. That's where we get them from. When you get them in whole food, your body uses them better. Yes, you can get them in supplements, but the body can't use them as well as if you get your zinc from your spinach.

[00:33:04] Ashley James: The thing is though—I agree with you—and with one exception. One caveat is minerals are hard to make sure that you get enough because if that spinach has grown in soil that's low in zinc, you're not going to get the adequate amount of daily zinc. If you eat a variety of fruits and vegetables every day, and a variety of color, and you're eating nine cups of fruits and vegetables, you're definitely getting 1000 different phytochemicals, you're getting lots of vitamins. In these times of uncertainty, you could definitely fill in the gaps. Supplements are like the mortar food is the bricks, you can fill in the gaps with some minerals, take some zinc. You can also go to a Naturopath. There are some lab tests you can do. There is an interesting way of telling if you’re mineral deficient. There are certain symptoms we have that are really easy, but if you're eating a whole food plant-based diet, there are very few people that end up being deficient in nutrients.

[00:34:12] Eric Thorton: Yeah. As you know I recommend vitamin patches for that very reason especially in the wintertime. Our fruits and vegetables have been sitting around oxidizing for weeks oftentimes. The minerals and stuff rust away basically. Yes, you need those. At this time, add a supplement or two, but if we put too many supplements in us that overloads the kidneys and liver, and that causes problems. That lowers our immune system. That's why I particularly recommend vitamin patches where a lot of other people will do it in pill form, which is fine too.

I have noticed when it goes through the skin, our bodies use it better. That I've noticed in the blood testing that Naturopaths do that it actually raises the blood levels of these essential nutrients because most people's digestive systems can't handle a major influx where a vitamin patch gives it to you a little bit all day long, and it doesn't go through the stomach and the intestine, so it's a little easier on us.

I work with a lot of very sensitive people though, and that's why I don't want to say don't take vitamin pills. Because I work with sensitive people, a lot of their bodies have been overwhelmed for so long they can't these vitamins anymore, but the patches work well for them because they're soft and they're very gentle. I don't want to poo-poo anything else. It’s just the population I work with sometimes the patches work better for them.

I've been very much shown that the end result of all of this chaos has been the very much weakened chakras and weakened immune systems. Our work, we dumped this chaos that each individual has. You've heard me call it on your shows before—wheelbarrow loads of things we're hanging on to. That lowers the stress on the body and the immune system picks up. Oftentimes, people—after work here—will go into what's called herxing, which is when the body starts to detox and it starts to feel a little bit sick because the immune system is actually working better.

It takes a few days, and the body's, immune system is working, getting rid of these toxins, so they can fight off new ones. Whenever you relieve a load on anybody for anything, the body can repair itself. If you have less anxiety from energy in your energy field, you're going to sleep better. You're also going to process food better. You're going to process your ego better if you're not in anxiety. You will learn to turn off a lot of this hearsay. Today, I heard somebody say, “If you eat lots of ginger all day long you'll never get the coronavirus.”

[00:37:40] Ashley James: I got a text today from one of my friends saying, “The Russians have solved it. They eat ginger all day long, and they don't have the coronavirus.” There's so much misinformation going on.

[00:37:51] Eric Thorton: Right. There's another one the other day. It’s basically saying along that same lines, and this part of it is actually true, “If you are constantly salivating and swallowing, if you're drinking lots of fluids, when the coronavirus, if it gets in our mouth, not our eyes, but if it gets in our mouth we then swallow it, and it gets killed by the stomach acid.” If you're eating ginger all day long, it's going to make you salivate. If you do get it in your mouth, ginger is an antiviral, and it makes you salivate because it's very powerful. Then you're going to swallow it, it's going to get killed in your stomach acid, but it's not going to solve it coming through your eyes or your skin.

These are hearsays that are out there that there may be an inkling of truth to it, but we add our own. “Oh my god. Everyone run and get ginger.” Well, you could just have a glass of water. Sip on water all day long, or a little nice tea, anything to keep your moisture moving in your mouth to prevent it from entering your system through your mouth. All this information is causing this chaos. This is one of the interesting things that the guides were really big on talking about today, and I don't know how this will work out, but they showed me when I was doing some healing work on myself with my assistant and friend Judy, lovely gifted person.

 They showed me what the new-age calls the matrix, which is the energy generated by all humans that is circling in on the planet at all times. Psychics can reach into this information and get intuition about different people in different places. People who do remote viewing use the matrix to view places that are of distance. I can sit here, and tap into the matrix, and feel the chaos of the whole planet. I teach people about the points of pathology so they learn to shut this down. In this matrix, it is so chaotic that it can't heal itself at this point. What that means, the way they explained it to me is like this, if you take—I used the example with you earlier, what do they call this soybean stuff. Put a mark on this.

[00:41:02] Ashley James: Tofu.

[00:41:03] Eric Thorton: Tofu. You scramble it up in a blender, and you put it back in the dish, and you just let it sit, it's going to make itself solid again. It'll make itself solid in an entirely different arrangement even though it looks the same. Any bacteria that have been in it have been disrupted. The tofu can actually last longer in your refrigerator or on your counter because the bacteria, and viruses, and things like that deteriorate the tofu has now been completely disrupted, and yet the tofu has reassembled itself in a healthier place. I'm looking at that I'm going, “Ah, the energy of disruption.” Another friend showed me there are dowsing rods that are called disruption laws. You use them around people or animals and it can disrupt their energy field, and it'll reset itself, and they can get over diseases. They’re saying, we need to do this as a planet.

[00:42:10] Ashley James: Your guides are saying we need to do this as a planet?

[00:44:58] Eric Thorton: As a planet, we need to scramble the matrix—whatever that looks like—and let it reset itself so that it can heal. They pointed out to me, we're all trying to—healers of all sorts around the world, and intentions, the gift of petition, prayers, things like that—are all trying to help heal someone through our own personal point of view, our own cognitive biases. Some people think you need Jesus to heal, some people think you need chlorophyll to heal so they’re going to send chlorophyll, some say you got to send some aconite the palace in a homeopath, some people think you need steak to heal, some people you need the prayer of a thousand people, the power of eight, the this or that, or the other, which is all harnessing thought and sending it. Biblically, it's called the gifts of petition. You're asking for healing, but you're asking through your own agendas. We can't help it, we're human.

Where Gaia, the planet, has this amazing ability to heal itself, but the human matrix above the planet is now so full of anxiety from these years of disruption and unrest that it's not able to organize itself and to disrupt some of these viruses. What they've said is basically we need to ask people to put the effort out, in their mindset, throughout many times throughout the day. If we could do it in sequence at night like at 9:00 PM every night throughout each time zone throughout the planet. That everybody who hears this or words pass, at that moment, they astral travel if they travel, put the intention out of scrambling the atmosphere.

It's not going to scramble physically, but what they're saying is it's scrambling the energetics, so it will reorganize itself like the tofu did, comes out looking the same, but all the viruses and bacteria have been disrupted, and the levels can then start to fall. I don't know what that looks like.

[00:44:57] Ashley James: Can you ask them?

[00:44:59] Eric Thorton: I don't know what it looks like in that how people will play it out. How it would look like if everybody did this is the coronavirus would then be susceptible to the energy of Gaia killing it.

[00:45:18] Ashley James: What’s protecting the coronavirus from not being susceptible to dying off like it should?

[00:45:26] Eric Thorton: Ego.

[00:45:28] Ashley James: What do you mean?

[00:45:29] Eric Thorton: When we're all in anxiety, that's a state of ego, and we're putting out all this fear into the matrix. So that's what we're going to manifest. It's literally called manifesting. You put out fear, you put out anxiety, you're going to manifest the reasons for fear and anxiety.

[00:45:51] Ashley James: The fear and anxiety that we've had mounting up globally for the last 20 years are manifesting plagues, our collective mass hysteria is manifesting pandemics?

[00:46:16] Eric Thorton: Right. That's what they're telling us.

[00:46:17] Ashley James: I like to mention the power of 8 because I just interviewed the author of that recently, and we started a power of 8 group. Any listeners who want to join, go to the Learn True Health Facebook group. We started a group, and we've done two little groups together so far. It’s really cool. There's eight of us or whatever, and we all come up with one thing to focus on for 10 minutes for one of the people in the group. Then we discuss the results. We all have a very similar experience, and the person really feels it. There's only a handful of people that are focusing the same intention, so we're all focusing the same intention for that person, and that person is getting results. One woman has MS, and she started feeling tingling, she started feeling sensations. Another woman has had a really chronic, a really bad sinus infection. She started to feel her head, warmth, and energy, and things were clearing.

[00:47:24] Eric Thorton: How hard was it to get eight people or however many you had to even be quiet for ten minutes?

[00:47:32] Ashley James: We have a few thousand people in the Facebook group, but only eight out of the few thousand decided that they wanted to join. Maybe the timing was off or whatever. Very small percentage of people will sit down for 10 minutes and do a collective thought experiment.

[00:47:56] Eric Thorton: The guides are saying the same type of thing.

[00:47:58] Ashley James: If you could get a small percentage of people to all—

[00:48:03] Eric Thorton: To all scramble this matrix—it's an imaginative thing, I know that—but put the intention of scrambling the energy on the planet, it can then reorganize, and see, and it's very similar to the power of eight. Humans are very hard to actually put their intention for any length of time together, but when we do, it's amazing.

[00:48:34] Ashley James: It is, it’s absolutely amazing. She did experiments and they were able to—long-distance—make plants go more. They were doing it in universities. They had universities plant a bunch of seeds and then labeled them seed A, seed B. The universities all watered them the exact same, treated them all the exact same. They didn’t know which ones the intentions were being sent to, but 100% of the time, the ones that were getting the intentions from the groups were growing exponentially more.

Then they also sent negative intentions to some seeds. They did not do as well as the controls. They also did experiments where they would get a group of people and send good intentions, and then send a bad intention, then a good intention, then a bad intention. The students were reporting the findings, and sure enough, it was a zigzag: good then bad then good then bad. This is part of quantum physics.

Quantum physics is trying to explain this. I love the movie What the Bleep Do We Know because it goes into this in a fun way. Kids can watch What the Bleep Do We Know. Your whole family can watch it. It came out in the early 2000s. What the Bleep Do We Know, definitely get that movie because it connects spirituality with quantum physics, with science. They’re trying to explain how we actually do as humans with our intention, with our emotions, where we focus our intention and attention. That we affect our physical reality, but we also affect—like you call it—the matrix. We’re tapping into the—

[00:50:32] Eric Thorton: Unconscious collective.

[00:50:33] Ashley James: Unconscious collective. Yeah. That energy net that we can tap into. Even though we think we're physically apart, we're connected. We're all really, really connected. We're all driving blindfolded like we don't know that we're driving and we're just running around, so we're creating chaos when we could be creating harmony by harnessing our gifts.

[00:51:09] Eric Thorton: I mentioned it earlier, when 9/11 happened, like anybody else, I was shocked. It really hit the heart chakra. I said to my guides—I don't impose anything I do on anybody, I wait for guidance. I don't think it's ethically right to look into anybody's energy field to help out. I think the universe has plenty of help. If they want the etheric energy of somebody to anchor something or the astral energy, they can ask, and that's what healers are for. When 9/11 happened I said, “If you need some help somehow over there—I can't imagine how you would need help—I'm happy to help out whatever you guys say.”

About four days after the tragedy they said, “Eric, what's going on over there?” I said, “Really?” They go, “Yeah.” We astral travel. We're above the area, and they told me just to observe. I sat there and I observed. I was seeing all of these wonderful intentions from all these healers. People praying for the aid workers, for the people that have died, for their families, for all this stuff, and helping to move people to the other side. I sat there and I just went—I had this huge realization. I was watching all this wonderful intention cause complete chaos. All this intention—a lot of your listeners are going to go, “Huh?” But people have guides and angels. When we die, they’re there for us. It doesn't require a healer to help you to the other side.

If you're not going to go to the other side it's an egoic issue. That would be a ghost, and it can go on to other things, which is another subject. It doesn't require the matrix if you will. The universe knows how to do this. All of these people with these wonderful intentions were actually making people—the aid workers, the firefighters, etc.—more tired. They were actually holding back souls from moving on because, no you have to do it my way, the Catholic way, the Presbyterian way, the new-age way, then whatever, it has to be my way. Yet the universe has been doing this for trillions of years, but somehow the egos of people sit here and, “It must be my way.”

This is what the guides are pointing out is happening now. We've got so much chaos. It can't organize and help stop the virus from spreading and help calm down the anxieties of the individuals. It's building up and building up and building up, and we fill in our own blanks. I mentioned a book to you earlier which I'll mention now because it'll be a terrific interview for you. It's called Nerosculpting for Anxiety and we had talked about this. She points out how we fill in the blanks of partial information, and we swear it's God's truth.

For example, if you have a crowd and you make some statements that are odd or not complete, and you put it out into a crowd—whether the crowd is together or the crowd is individual around the planet—you make a statement that is not like—you say some beautiful statement that your intention is for. I'm trying to think of an example. We talked about one with something I read to you earlier about how the virus is a great equalizer, well it's not, but it sounds beautiful. People will read into it, “Oh, yes. We're the same as rich people,” except it didn't say that. The statement didn't say that we're the same as rich people. It was a great equalizer. There's a lot of celebrities and stuff that have gotten the coronavirus. Well, they get to afford a whole bunch of care, but the poorer people don't. It's not a good equalizer, it's a divider, but we read into the statement made by a very famous person, “Oh, that's so sweet and lovely.” We filled it in.

Our brains consciously—when we are in fear—think one in two-dimensionally. We fill in the blanks consciously that are not there. You have a crowd, you make a partial statement, and the crowd is seated with people to say words. I don't want to get into the political agendas and stuff like that now, but they plant words out there or they make a statement, “Oh, yeah. He means this,” and everyone goes, “Yeah, he means that. Yes, he means that. He's wonderful,” and he didn't do anything. He or she makes a partial statement.

We do this more when we are in anxiety. We sit here and we go, “Okay, eat ginger. Oh, that'll cure it. Quick, everybody run and get ginger.” Where the statement, “Eating ginger cures the coronavirus,” isn't proven by anything. What's proven is if you keep your mouth moist, and you keep swallowing, if the coronavirus goes in your mouth, it goes down into the stomach acid and gets killed, but it can still come through your eyes. Everyone figured, “Oh, it'll cure if I eat ginger.” Well, this just makes it all day so you don't get it through your mouth, but you can still get it through your eyes, and skin, and through your nose.

We filled in the answer, and it was untrue, or it was a partial truth. The news, the political agendas, we're all doing this, and it's causing us more and more conflict, more and more information in the matrix, and more and more anxiety, which is also going into the matrix, weakening our heart chakras, and taking our defense systems down. Our personal defense systems and Gaia's defense systems are down. The guides are asking everybody, I would put it at each time zone at 9:00 PM, start doing the intention of scrambling the matrix, and let's see what happens in a week. If nobody does it, maybe nothing will happen. Maybe if 80,000, or 200,000, or 1 million people get a hold of this thing, maybe it'll change it. It's worth a try. It gets people to focus—like with the power of eight—on one thing.

I've worked with you in another situation with the power of eight and got some great benefits from it. It’s difficult to focus. It's difficult to get people to even do anything. Except these days, rushing for toilet paper. I get a kick out of that one. Anyway. I'm putting it out there, 9:00 PM every time zone all the way around the planet. Everyone work at scrambling. However, you think you can, scrambling the matrix so it can reset itself. Let's see what happens.

[00:59:57] Ashley James: That's what the guides showed you?


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1:00:00] Eric Thorton: That's what the guide showed me. They also showed many other ways that our immune systems are dramatically affected. We'd already talked about meat and oil. We tried to have another conversation before about parasites, chemicals in our bodies, food probiotics, and the signals they give us that keep our immune systems from functioning correctly. 

There are so many chemicals in the environment that the parasites and things like that have actually gotten out of hand. Chemicals generally don't kill parasites, and we eat parasites, we breathe parasites, and viruses, and bacteria. Our body generally takes care of them, but when they get overloaded, our bodies can't do a good job. 

Our bodies are alive because of symbiotic relationships with what we call beneficial parasites. If we ate naturally, which would be more along the lines of what we already discussed—whole food plant base—we get fewer chemicals in us because of whole food plant-based. We should be eating organic—if you can possibly afford it—but also the chlorophyll in things help remove pesticides and such from our bodies—amongst many other things. 

Eating proper minerals, like we discussed, help remove toxins from the bodies. But we get parasites and all that stuff. In North America, we get most of the parasites from our fruits, and vegetables, and from meat. We get loaded up with them. As you move to the warmer climates you get more and more parasites that come in through the water, and through the air, from bugs lining on us, planting their eggs in us, and things like that.

Well, these are problems for us because each parasite—when it gets hungry just like humans or if you ever watched a cat get hungry—they start getting aggressive, and they start running around. They're giving you a signal to feed them. Well, scientifically, they have proven this. I've looked it up one time. There are tens of thousands of studies on the biochemical signals that a parasite gives you to feed it. 

Let's say you get a parasite from a cow from eating beef, and the parasite’s running out of cow to eat. It's going to send a signal that it's hungry. It's like a dog that's trained to tell someone they're going to have a grand mal seizure because this dog can smell it. Your body is starting to give off a biochemical signal that a dog can smell. This is how animals become service animals because they're trained to react to these smells.

Parasites do the same thing. They give off these biochemical signals, they go to our brain, and they say, “Eat more meat.” If you quit eating the meat, the parasites die. It takes a number of months. Then all of a sudden you eat meat and it tastes like ugh. I'm not a hypocrite. I thought meat tasted great. Now, I taste meat and it tastes like, “Ugh. I don't really need that anymore.” I don't have anything in me giving me the signal to eat the meat. 

Well, if you take things like sugar. Sugar ups your anaerobic probiotics. The anaerobic probiotics, I suppose to be between 10% and 20% of our probiotics, preferably around 10%. The more sugary things you eat or eat processed food, the more that those anaerobic probiotics get to eat, so their numbers go higher and higher and higher. Those probiotics are alive like a parasite. When they get hungry, they tell you to eat more of the food that they want themselves. They tell you to eat more sugar, more junk food, go to the places to get the things that feed the anaerobic bacteria. You can look at most of your grocery stores full of the things that eat that because it gives us cravings and we buy more.

Once you've been off of these foods, the anaerobic bacteria goes down, the quantities go down, so your cravings go down. There's a book called The Pleasure Trap by Dr. Goldhammer that explains these biochemical signals that our own probiotics give us and parasites give us to eat the food that keeps us sick. When you stop eating these foods, the anaerobic probiotics levels go down. 

They talked about, in the movie Game-Changer, what meat does to our vascular system. As long as you're eating that meat, it rots, you don't digest it very quickly, so it starts to rot in your intestine. The rotting meat is what the anaerobic bacteria eat. They'll eat the rotting meat so you do eventually digest it, but the anaerobic bacteria has gone way up in numbers. Now you're low on meat and it asks for more, so then you crave meat. When you're craving meat and oils, it kills the aerobic bacteria. It smothers it like if you take an apple and you wash it underwater, the water beads up. If you wash it under olive oil, the olive oil coats the apple. If the apple had to breathe air, it would die. 

Well, aerobic bacteria have to breathe air. Every time you swallow food you get air with it. That aerobic bacteria is what digests the grains, the fruit, and the vegetables. With a low number of that, we can't get the nutrition from those foods, and that's where we get the wheat belly. That's where we get even from ancient wheat. That's where we get problems digesting the grains, and problems digesting the plants and the fruits. If you treat them correctly, they have the least amount of parasites on them. 

We don't crave them. We crave the things that grow the parasites and grow the anaerobic bacteria. The aerobic bacteria just sits there and waits for more oxygen and to do its job. When it runs out of oxygen, it dies off. Then the anaerobic levels go way up, and we get stuck in these cycles of eating very bad food that drops our immune system, which makes us so we can't fight off viruses, and bacterias, and funguses.

Between the bacteria in our intestines, and the parasites that we eat that come from food that is easy to digest—because parasites like food that's easy to digest too—we have this pleasure trap, if you will, that we can't get out of. That's why even during this coronavirus outbreak, what's on the shelves? Everyone's taken all the junk food off the shelves. That's what they brought home to eat. That you go over to the fruits and vegetables, it's full. Nobody's eating that stuff because nobody's craving it. Nobody's trying to satisfy anything and lead these urges that we get these chemical signals make us want the Oreo cookie, “Well, cookies taste good,” but if we're craving them, there's something wrong.

We've talked about this eating zero cookie in the situation before, but it applies again today. People need to eat fruits and vegetables like your previous guest said. They need to eat whole food plant-based. They need to have some vitamins and mineral supplements, they need to get their antioxidants up, they need to get the anaerobic bacteria up, and their aerobic bacteria down, then your immune system can handle it. 

When you swallow the coronavirus, you want something in there that's going to kill it. That's your digestive enzymes, your prebiotics. A digestive enzyme is when your pancreas gives out, so we want it to come from our pancreas—if possible. That goes down and goes down through the digestive system, and makes it so that nothing's going to live. The coronavirus isn't going to live in your body.

If you don't have the antioxidants in your body, you swallow the coronavirus, they'll probably live and you'll get the disease. This is why people that eat better are not getting the disease or getting very minor cases of it. That includes older people. I'm here today. Guys, eat better. Eat your fruits and vegetables, and cut down or eliminate the meat, and the removed oil from vegetables. Don't eat that if you can help it. Help your immune system come up. 

The whole food plant-based group recommends a 21-day challenge. Well, in 21 days you'll see your whole body change dramatically for the better, and your immune system comes up. It's amazing. Even in my household, there are three of us that eat whole food plant-based, and there are two that don’t. Well, the ones that eat whole food plant-based, when the other two get sick, we don't get sick. We giggle too. We look at them and go, “Well, you know the solution.”

It doesn't mean you're not going to get it, it just means you're not going to get a bad case of it. So once in a while, the ones of us who eat whole food plant-based will get the sniffles, will get a little bit, but we don't get the full-blown thing. Our bodies fight it off correctly. Anyway. I recommend everybody do parasite cleanses, and liver cleanses to get the parasites out of your system.

[01:12:17] Ashley James: What do the guides recommend as being the most effective ones, or does each person is kind of different?

[01:12:28] Eric Thorton: I have noticed they like the typical, they like the natural anti-parasite things. You're going to want—what is it cloves, wormwood—and there's another one. Let me recall what it is.

[01:12:45] Ashley James: There's one out of India, which is mimosa pudica. I did two interviews about this, really effective protocol by Dr. Jay Davidson. Listeners can go to learntruehealth.com/cleanse for that one.

[01:13:03] Eric Thorton: Gaia has provided many different things to kill parasites. I use one that doesn't have grapefruit seed extract because that's not good for my body right now. I use one called Parastroy. It's cheap, it's easy. There are many combinations, and I'm sure you have lots of recommendations. Ashwagandha works at killing certain bacterias, and viruses, and parasites. I know that's one of them. Organic or not, if you can't afford the organic, it's better to just do it anyway with not organic just to get these parasite numbers down so your body doesn't have to fight the parasites.

Believe it or not, remember, a parasite is alive. They have excrement, and your body's got to fight all that off. That's literally poison in your bloodstream that your body has to fight off first before it's going to fight the coronavirus. Lower the parasite—the non-beneficial parasites that you have in your body, the more energy your immune system has to fight this incoming disease. The better your intestinal tract is operating, the higher your aerobic bacteria is—that's the first part of your immune system is your intestines. It's the aerobic bacteria that do the work. The higher that is, the higher your immune system can function. 

Also, when you digest food right, it heals your large intestine so you don't have leaky gut, so you don't have all this what's called triglycerides going through your intestinal wall and going into your bloodstream, and then your immune system has to fight all that off too. Our immune systems are amazing. They do so much work 24/7 keeping down systemic diseases, keeping down the incoming, taking care of chemicals we breathe, or get on us. It's an amazing thing. If we can give some relief, it'll focus on the things we need it to focus on. That's what we've talked about today so far, how to give it some relief?

If you can reduce your anxiety by not listening to the news so much, yes we need to know what we have to do at this point.

[01:15:53] Ashley James: Don't put your head in the sand, but you talked about that we fill in the gaps. I want to address this because I teach. I've been teaching since 2005 how to eliminate anxiety. That's one of my strong suits. What you were talking about is a different way of describing what I teach.

[01:16:12] Eric Thorton: I remember you telling me something. It was really interesting. It was really good.

[01:16:16] Ashley James: Thank you. The body—the physical body—is always listening to the mind, and the mind is always filling in the gaps. I give the example of we're driving in traffic, and everything's fine. We're driving to work and all of a sudden we see red lights ahead of us, all the brake lights turn on, and all of a sudden we have anxiety. Like boom, sweaty palms, the body’s freaking out, heart’s pounding, shallow breath, and we're going, “What is going on?” Maybe a knot in your stomach or a frog in your throat. You don't even realize that what just happened in that split second is your mind filled in the gaps and went, “Oh my gosh. There are brake lights. There's going to be a traffic jam. I'm going to be late for work. My boss is going to fire me. I'm not going to be able to pay the rent, or pay the mortgage, or pay the grocery bills,” or whatever. We're going to all end up homeless and dead.

The mind perceived those brake lights as a direct threat to your survival right now, and turned on the stress response of the autonomic nervous system’s fight-or-flight response, the sympathetic nervous system response. Because we're either in cortisol response, or we're in oxytocin. We’re either in feel-good, healing, relaxed, in a loving state, or we’re in survival, fear, worry. We become so used to, like you said, our heart chakras had taken such a hit—gosh, you just keep thinking back—the last 20 years, right? But think about before that, and think about before that. We're under constant threat and the media loves, loves to feed on this.

I was just having a conversation the other day with a very intelligent friend of mine who said that this is a spiritual war, and then just today, before we hit record you said that. I thought that was very interesting because this is a spiritual war, and it's been waged much longer than before we were even born. Our heart chakra is constantly taking it from all sides, keeping our heads in the sand, keeping us dumbed down, keeping us living in a low vibration state, fighting over toilet paper. Because if we're fighting over toilet paper, then we're not evolving, we're not empowered, we're not taking control of our own destiny. They're keeping us in a low vibration, fear state.

My friend was even talking that they feed off of this energy of fear. It's like a parasite that they feed off of keeping the masses dumbed down, fluoridated, and buying into junk food and drugs, and keeping them doped up on the dopamine—the pleasure trap. Go through Vegas, it's close now, but go through Vegas when it's not closed—because I used to live there. Walk through any casino and you will see. 

Plato wrote the Allegory of the Cave where he describes a person who breaks free of the chains, of the reality that constrained him, and that he comes back to warn all the people who he was in this prison with, and they all try to kill him because they could not even perceive being out of the matrix, being pulled out of the matrix. I think it's a 33,000-year-old or 35,000-year-old story. It's basically what the matrix was based on, is this idea that when you pull your head in the sanding, you look around, and you go, “We are all buying into this system that keeps us suppressed and keeps us sick. What are we doing?”

On social media, people are all in their homes, sharing videos and pictures of how much alcohol they're drinking, and how much junk food they're eating, and they're celebrating ill health, and yet if you go out for a walk in the sunlight—not near anyone—but you go for a walk in the sunlight, and you share that, then you would be condemned. There are so many people angry about that because, “How dare you leave your house?” It's this wacky world where we are not celebrating health.

[01:20:39] Eric Thorton: [Inaudible]

[01:20:41] Ashley James: Exactly, exactly.

[01:20:43] Eric Thorton: It's like you were saying. You hit the brake lights and your subconscious mind thinks of all these different things. Like you said, if you change the script like, “Thank God we got brake lights here so we didn't cause a car accident. That's wonderful. What a great invention.” Your immune system is still working. If you're in the other one. If you're in the, “Oh my God. I’m going to be late from work,” your immune system has to go and take care of that. You just manifested how many minutes of your immune system not functioning correctly.

[01:21:22] Ashley James: Absolutely. The doctor I just interviewed about that said, “When we're in cortisol, when were in a stress response, our immune system is 100% compromised.”

[01:21:30] Eric Thorton: 100%.

[01:21:31] Ashley James: Our brain is doing this all the time because this is how we were raised.

[01:21:36] Eric Thorton: It’s part of our culture now.

[01:21:38] Ashley James: But it's part of the global programming to focus on what we don't want to have happened. It's also genealogically. Basically, the pessimists were the survivors, and the optimist didn't think there'd be a bear in the woods so they were the ones that got eaten. So really, genetically, the people who are the most cautious were able to survive and pass on their genes. If we just blindly follow our basic instincts, “Oh, I feel like Oreo so I'm going to eat them. I feel like this, I’m going to eat them.” Who's telling you to feel that? Is it your gut biome because there are so many studies, and you pointed to me, you showed me this.

There are studies that prove that the gut biome hijacks the brain, sends chemicals to the brain. If we have a bad gut biome, like the Homer Simpson of gut biomes that have been created by eating—I keep picking on Oreos. If we go through the drive-thru every day, even one meal a day, and you eat that kind of food, you're creating a gut biome that's going to hijack your brain and make you want that more and want the kale less.

I'm not even saying go vegan. I'm not saying cut out all meat. I'm just saying eat more plants, more and more and more plants, and more vegetables. More variety of vegetables, fruits, more whole foods.

[01:23:05] Eric Thorton: Right. Every bit helps.

[01:23:08] Ashley James: Yeah. You cultivate a gut biome that then tells you it wants that more.

[01:23:13] Eric Thorton: Dr. Goldhamer, when I was there, he goes, “If you eat this way,” they recommend 100% eating this way, but if you've eaten 70% of that way, you cut down your meat 70%, and your oil 70%, you have 70% less stuff in you damaging your immune system. So your immune system can work better. If you can go 80%, go 90%, you got that much more working for your health instead of for the corporations for the corporate profit. This is where we bring up the idea of enlightenment. Enlightenment is when you can look at these things and make a choice that says, “No.” Enlightenment is when you have a problem. You got to go to Jack in the Box because you're craving their lovely food, but your brain goes, “You know, I don't really need that today. I can choose something healthier.”

Enlightenment is when you look at the negative things and find the positive things out of that. We know scientifically that these junk foods are terrible for us, and we know these other health foods are healthy for, us but we keep choosing the ones that feed the corporate ladder and this biofilm within us. Someone who is enlightened is going to look at the problem and go, “Well, okay. This is going to hurt my body, so we're going to override those cravings until we don't have those cravings anymore. We don't obsess about it.” It's like, “Yeah, that's what my body is craving because I put all this crap into it for all these years.” This is why Buddhist philosophy teaches enlightenment. It takes every negative that we could think of and turns it into a positive.

Enlightenment doesn't mean not having a Jack in the Box, McDonald's around, it means being able to make a decision for the health of your body. It doesn't mean not having the issues, it means we can make a decision to help our bodies. In the case of the coronavirus, an enlightened person is going to—because there is no other way to stop this now that it's out there, no matter how it got out there, it's there. An enlightened person’s going to go, “Yeah, okay. That's what we need to do.” A person who is not enlightened is going to go, “Oh my god. I got to have so much TP. I got to have the cookies. I got to have the Jack. What am I going to do?” They're stuck on their greed and their habits instead of what is non-egoic, what’s good for your body, and what's good for the planet.

[01:26:34] Ashley James: I don't know if I'd call it greed because those people are so—they have been living in that vibration of fear for so long without knowing it. They've been living in that survival mode that they need to feel a sense of control. When we're hit with chaos, we need to feel like we're in control. When my mom was diagnosed with cancer, my dad and I—how we processed it—we immediately went to the health food store and bought her a juicer like that moment. When I really should have just stayed home and like hugged her, and held her, and not left her alone. I don't know what we were thinking.

The moment we needed to feel like we were doing something. We needed to do something to help. People need to react and feel like they're doing something to help their family and themselves whether it's buying two cases of toilet paper and four boxes of Oreos. Obviously, those weren't the decisions that were best supportive of their immune systems. Now, there are some supplement companies that have completely run out of supplements. Some people are buying up supplements, some people are buying up Oreos. We need to take a step back and go, “What can we do to support our family and our body mentally, emotionally.

[01:27:56] Eric Thorton: And our community.

[01:27:57] Ashley James: Yeah, and go beyond just our household. That's right. Go beyond just our household. First, we got to feel like we're not under threat. Have a week's worth of food. Everyone should always have a week's worth of food anyway in case there was any kind of emergency like a tornado, or something, earthquake. We should always have some. I lived in the part of Canada where this was somewhere in the early 2000s. The entire eastern seaboard lost power for I think it was a week. Something in Niagara Falls. Niagara Falls gives energy to a lot of Canada and the United States, and there was no power in Boston, there was no power in New York City. I think it was a week, I mean we could Google this, but I just remember having a ton of fun because my friends and I go camping all the time, so we just went camping.

We're like, “We already have all the food.” It was several, several days, and there are people who were stuck. If there was no electricity, some people can't cook, some people can't get down 50 flights of stairs because they live in an apartment building, so there was a lot of chaos. Back then, we didn't have the cellphones we have now, we didn’t have the internet. We all managed, but if you have a week's worth of food for your family, that makes sense, right? Make it the right kind of food that supports the immune system—just moving forward. People were in reactionary mode, and I think now, they're settling down and looking at, “Okay, what can I do to protect ourselves?”

So many people will not have money next week because there's a large percentage of people who live paycheck to paycheck. I was just talking to my friend, he goes, “I have $30.” He's a music teacher. He does his private classes. He goes, “I have $30 to last me until this is over.” There are so many people who are now in that state of fear. We have to get out of fear even though there are real threats to our survival right now, we have to get out of fear in order to support our immune system, and in order to support our ability to solve the problems because we cannot solve problems when we're in the state of fear because the autonomic nervous system shuts down the frontal cortex in order to have us make reactionary decisions for survival.

In the long term, it is not good because we cannot think clearly and make critical decisions, which is something that you've talked about. How can you today help the listener? All the listeners are listening that are worried about the COVID-19, what advice do the guides give? What can we do today right now to support ourselves, our family, and our communities? 


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[01:31:08] Eric Thorton: Well, to pull this together. One, eat right if you can. Two, support your community. If you've got someone that's got $30 and you got more, help them out. The government's trying to get checks out through their system. It's going to take a little longer. If they need driving or they need to get help getting to unemployment offices to get money. If they need help with their business to get, like you and I are private businesses, how do we keep our income coming in, or do we need help?

When you're in safety mode, if you got $30 left, talk to people. Let them know that there's a problem. Maybe, if people can get out of their own fear and their own—I use the word greed earlier—greed, that they've got to have it. They don't want to be in that guy's position and only have $30 left. There have been many stories around the area I'm at where people are buying people's groceries where they don't have enough money to pay for their groceries and other people are coming up and paying for that. That's a wonderful thing. That heals the heart chakra. That makes us feel, everybody feel good. If we can pass that forward or what do they call that? Pay it forward.

If we can remember the good things we have. When I get into fear—I'm human too. When I get in the fear, I think of all the people that I get to help. They've proven that energetic medicine kills viruses. I'm a healer, and I get to help do that. Each individual has the ability to harness healing energy even when you're in fear. If you can sit there, and someone's got the coronavirus, and you can sit there and feel the love that you have for that person, and put your hand over their heart chakra, don't touch it, just put it over their heart chakra, and just let them feel your love. Like you said, one of you should have stayed home and just held your mom when she was diagnosed. That is huge. This is why bringing families together from being separated. We can help our community that way.

I get to help people on a regular basis doing that, but we all have the ability to conduct love. We all have the ability to conduct Gaia, which is peaceful harmonizing energy. If we just put our hands over the top of someone's heart chakra between the lower sternum and the top of the sternum and just send love. You can do this from a distance. If you have a friend that has the virus. I was working with someone—I work everything long-distance right now and I was working with them. I just said, “Can I send you healing energy?” Because I will always ask. They said, “Sure,” and then I'm able to just put my hand where their heart chakra would be—duplicated in my mind's eye—and just send them that love. They felt better immediately. That's something we can all do.

If we can all do the 9:00 PM scramble of the matrix in our own mind's eye, let's do it. The power of 800 million maybe, or the power of 8,000. The power of anything to put our intention instead of fear. To put it to love in our humanity, our fellow human beings, and touch each other through the energetics whether we're with them or not. Call, I have been calling friends. I check up on people that I know. I know thousands of people, and I text them, and email them, and things like that. I want to know how they're doing. Anyone I've worked within sessions, I can send them healing energy very easily. It seems to shorten the time and severity of any virus.

Everybody can do that. I can do it differently, really well, but everybody can still do that. That calms the soul. It calms the heart chakra for both people and all participating. So let's do that instead of watching all the hearsay and listening to it all the hearsay. It's here guys. The only way we're going to stop it—it isn't through eating ginger. It's going to be through love. It's going to be through holding each other in that space of love and not shoo.

[01:36:38] Ashley James: Well, love turns off the stress response.

[01:36:41] Eric Thorton: Exactly.

[01:36:42] Ashley James: You also mentioned things that could be described as gratitude. The thing is we have to catch ourselves because we unconsciously automatically fill in the gaps. A really good practice is triviumeducation.com teaches you how to do critical thinking and listen for linguistic fallacies. When you listen for linguistic fallacies, you realize how much we fill in the gaps, and we always need gaps in a way that may threaten our survival and so it turns on the stress response a lot of the times.

You and I have talked about this. It's something that at first, it’s like unconscious incompetence, and then we become conscious of it, and now we're consciously incompetent. Now we're catching ourselves every time we're in anxiety, or worry, or stress, or fear, and we catch ourselves and we go, “Oh, there. I'm doing it again. There, I'm giving in to the worry and the fear. I've been giving in to it. How do I break this cycle?” We have to start breaking the cycle and it could be 20 times a day focusing on what's good about this.

[01:37:56] Eric Thorton: One of my therapists and also a doctor told me this. He goes, “Eric, you have a busy life, you have stressors,” they all know what I do for a living. They go, “Instead of trying to answer consciously the issues you're having, Eric, why don't you do this? Do a little visualizing so you can pull in both halves of your brain.” When you're in the fight-or-flight, you're in the conscious effort, you're using the logic side of your brain, and it's only 5% of your brain's power when it's used alone. When you combine it with the artistic side of your brain, you can now use 95% of your brain's power.

They suggested this, “Eric, put your problems,” they suggested a visualization. They said, “Put your problems on a raft and you're going down a river. You see the waterfall coming up, and you see the rapids before the waterfall. You can make a choice. You can get off that raft with all your problems, and go to the side of the river, and sit there, and watch that raft and all your problems go down the river and off the waterfall, and then you can go down to the end of it. Get on the raft again if you want.” What you've done at that moment is you've included the artistic side of your brain in your thinking process, and you're watching this thing happen through your mind's eye, so you're turning off the conscious fight-or-flight—the part that turns on the cortisol.

You're turning it off, and you're pulling in the artistic side of the brain, so then your brain is actually doing a full three-dimensional thinking subconsciously. That's when your answers come to you. When you're constantly trying to figure it out, like you said, different ideas have different words for this, but it's the cortisol response from your adrenal glands. When you include the artistic side of your brain by launching it to the moon. We talked about the energy exchange.

Everyone who's heard my talks, we talked about the energy exchange where we are visually giving back the person their stressors. It's telling our brain consciously, “Oh, that's not mine,” and subconsciously it’s like, “Oh.” You can think about them, how to actually help this person by supporting them and letting them figure out their problem. If you answer their problem, you've prevented them from learning and growing, but if you sit back and you go, “You know that's their problem, it's not mine, but I can hear, and I can listen to them, and I can be here for them, and I can just keep giving it back to them.”

Your immune system doesn't get compromised then. Your thinking power goes into a 95% use of your brain, and you can come up with solutions for ideas to present them, but not demand, so that this person's brain can think. Their imagination can think. We have a problem. We start listening to the news today. Launch it to the moon. Take it, and throw it into the matrix, and just scramble it up in your mind's eye.

Imagine clouds and you're up there and you’re just scrambling them up. That's pulling in the artistic side of your brain and logic centers, calming the reaction down so you don't feel hopeless, you're not in the fight or flight, and your immune system, again, works better. These are doctors. This is my MD that told me this, and I already knew it, but it was amazing that he actually said that, and a therapist. Again, I knew this. It's common knowledge is the point, but we don't do it.

[01:42:18] Ashley James: We're listening now.

[01:42:21] Eric Thorton: We need to do that. Right. We need to do this. We need to sit there and go, “Yeah,” whatever we're in the middle of the seat COVID-19. We're in it. We've got to do the distancing whether we like it or not, and if we don't like it, shoot it to the moon. Go climb a tree if you don't like it. Go hug a tree. Go for a walk. If people glare at you, give them their energy back. If they're glaring at you because you're within 10-feet, okay, accept that. Get away from them—or I guess it’s 6 feet. Other than that, it's their problem, it's not yours. Give it back to them. Go admire some moss. Ever looked at moss with a magnifying glass? It’s amazing.

[01:43:03] Ashley James: Moss is so cool.

[01:43:05] Eric Thorton: It is so cool. You ever just sat there for an hour and watched water run in a brook or a river? Or imagine yourself sitting there in a river that's warm, and there's no crocodiles or anything, any fish that are going to eat you. You're just sitting there enjoying it and enjoying the smells. All you imagine is the smells. Maybe you can throw in any smell you want.

[01:43:34] Ashley James: Of nature.

[01:43:34] Eric Thorton: It just smells amazing. Of nature.

[01:43:35] Ashley James: Not of the Hudson River.

[01:43:36] Eric Thorton: Yeah, I’ll agree with you there. I’ve only flown over the Hudson River. I never swam in it. Anyway. If you can clean your imagination, it turns off the things that are going to give you all the cortisol. Helping, imagining running the energy into your friend’s heart chakra. Imagining the Sun coming up in the middle of the night. Tomorrow's going to be another day. The sun helps cleanse the earth and gives Gaia. There are so many things to do that pull in all of the brain so that we can relax, and unwind, and get over, get through this yet another pandemic. It's not the end of the world.

[01:44:33] Ashley James: Do they have any information right now? Because they know who's listening because there is no time for them. What information do they have for the listeners who are listening right now?

[01:44:50] Eric Thorton: I've been listening to the guides through the talk, so do the things we've talked about. Use your tools. Use your tools. Use the things you've learned from your healing group. Connect with people and talk about things and imaginative. Talk about joy. When this is done, what we're going to do? How we're going to have fun? When this passes, there comes a time of peace and prosperity.

[01:45:29] Ashley James: Is that they're saying?

[01:45:31] Eric Thorton: They're saying, yes, use the tools you've gotten from your healing team. The people that listen to you have healing teams. It’s not a time to panic, it's a time to rest.

[01:45:48] Ashley James: Yeah, mandatory staycation.

[01:45:52] Eric Thorton: Mandatory staycation.

[01:45:54] Ashley James: Go chill. Netflix and chill.

[01:45:57] Eric Thorton: If you can help someone that needs money, help them, buy them food. The other day I was at Whole Foods near us. This older guy, clean-cut, you can tell he didn’t have a lot of money, but he was clean, good shoes. He was just desperate. He came up to me. He goes, “My wife and I are waiting for a check from the government. It was supposed to arrive today. We have to sleep in our car tonight. Here's our car.” Not a new car but it showed they were getting government help. He had a decent hat on, and it was clean so he wasn't just a drug addict or anything. You could just feel they were hungry. My heart just went, “Oh my God.” I thought, “Well, okay.” My heart felt this and I needed to do something for this person. I thought, “I could.” He didn't want money, he wanted food.”

I was coming out of Whole Foods so I thought to myself, I go, “Well, I don't really have a meal here for him.” I thought, “What can I do?” I just said, “I'm sorry. Let me think about this.” I literally got in my car and I drove to a place. I got a meal, a good-quality meal for him and his wife, not a banana, or an apple, or a bag of something, or cream corn that everybody likes to give their junk to food banks. I got them teriyaki food. I asked him if he ate meat and he said yes. I got both of them a full teriyaki chicken dinner with all the trimmings. I brought it back to them. I drove through the parking lot, and he was still there. I opened my window, and I said, “Here.” I handed in the bag. I said, “I bought you and your wife full meals because you are worth it.”

He looked at me and he started to cry. I did too, I’m crying right now. It was a heart connection. He needed some help, and he wasn't a drug addict. He wasn't begging for money to go get another hit. It helped him through the night. I bought him that, and I bought him potato soup because maybe one of them was allergic to wheat or something and I didn't know. I bought him something without any wheat in it. It still touches my heart. That's what we need. The guides just reminded me of that story. We need to do this. That's how we open up. That’s one of the ways we open up and repair the heart chakra. I hope he can pay it forward one day. I hope I can do this again for somebody else, and I will. It helps everybody.

[01:49:36] Ashley James: Beautiful. I love it. In my neighborhood, there are 270 something people in a Facebook group, just our little neighborhood. Just our little one-mile radius kind of thing. We already have posts of people saying, “Hey, let me know if you need something. I can go to the store.” Every day, there's been a post like, “Okay, who needs something? Who's at risk? I can run to the store for you.” I’m in a bunch of other communities, Facebook groups of other areas in my area. I'm seeing this, I'm seeing people reach out. Instead of posting fear-based scarcity posts, post love, gratitude, helping posts. Look to help others because that will get you out of stress response.

[01:50:39] Eric Thorton: I have friends that are older, and we keep in contact with them. They're not poor. We brought them some homemade granola. I just set it on the bench in front of their house, and they had made some rosemary organic sourdough rolls, and they left a bag of that out there for us. Just an exchange, just to show we care. That opens up and heals the heart chakra.

[01:51:18] Ashley James: Yeah. The one caveat would be if either one of you would be high-risk, you could technically give each other the virus. Although you would work energetically to remove it.

[01:51:31] Eric Thorton: I also took precautions, did the precaution.

[01:51:35] Ashley James: The Naturopath I just interviewed said if you have bread, for example like those rolls, to kill a virus, you have to freeze it for three days. I didn't know that. I thought that was really interesting. If it's in a package, then you can wash the package. To make sure you've killed a virus, you have to freeze something for three days.

[01:51:57] Eric Thorton: That’s after it's been cooked though. Cooking kills the viruses.

[01:52:01] Ashley James: Right.

[01:52:01] Eric Thorton: If you've handled it after you've cooked it and you have the virus on your hand, then you've got it on the rolls. There are several steps here. We took precautions in that case, and we should. I happen to know because these are friends that are also clients, so I knew they didn't have the virus and they're taking the precautions. I know I don't have it right now. No one in my family has it right now. We're good, but we still took the precautions anyway. The door didn't open. I just rang the doorbell, it was there. I was using gloves, and we did the exchange. Those things help the heart chakra, and yes, do the precautions.

If you can help someone that really needs it, do it. It’s just a kind gesture and just to allow people to feel you're above, and you’re caring, and allow you to express it, and to receive it. That's how we strengthen the heart chakra, and we strengthen the lungs, and we reduce anxiety. All of these things we've talked about today are all in the same line. We've heard it how many times—it's love that cures all. It is. Without the heart chakra functioning the third chakra suffers, the second chakra suffers, your first chakra suffers, and you get sick.

Yes, do everything you can to help your fellow humans and take the precautions. Because no matter what anybody says, it's here. Stop paying attention to all the hearsay about why it’s here. It is just here and deal with it. Turn off, listen to music, read a good book. You know how beneficial reading is. Write. Creative imagination, write if you're a writer. Even if you're not a writer, write. It's fun. Just don't post it on the Internet.

[01:54:49] Ashley James: Why not?

[01:54:51] Eric Thorton: Gee, it might get lost in the crowd of crap.

[01:54:57] Ashley James: I have a list on my fridge I wrote. There's like at least 50 things of really positive activities to do that raise my vibration, and I want to give homework to all the listeners to go sit down with a piece of paper and a fun pen and write out a list. I didn't even use line paper, I just used a blank paper. I just wrote columns. You can write more than one page, but write out a list of everything you can do in your home or around your home that brings you joy.

It could be out in nature. If you can get out into nature, if you can get out to, because a lot of the parks are closed, so you have to get creative to get out there. If you can go out in your backyard and sunbathe in your backyard. Right now, it's spring here where I am. I know it's still cold like on the East Coast, but you can still bundle up and get out in the sun. Write a list of everything you can do that brings you joy. I was really surprised. I gave myself this homework, and I started writing, and it gave me so much clarity to write this list.

What happens is you'll get about 7 to 12 down, usually around 9, you'll get 9 in and you'll draw a blank. That's because of how the brain works. We usually only hold about 7 different thoughts in our heads.

[01:56:30] Eric Thorton: In our conscious mind.

[01:56:32] Ashley James: In the conscious mind. It clears, all of a sudden you draw blank. You ask yourself the question again, and you start thinking about it, and then another 7 will come. You'll just have that really interesting experience of the brain emptying out and then refilling, and emptying out and refilling because your unconscious is bringing it to your consciousness.

[01:56:52] Eric Thorton: Right. One way of doing that we already talked about. You've come to your list of say 7 or 9 and you’re at a blank. Think about climbing that gorgeous tree out there, and all of a sudden you have a whole bunch more ideas. Think about doing cartwheels when you were a kid, or giggling until you were out of breath, and all of a sudden you got more ideas. It is because you're pulling in the subconscious mind, the artistic part of your brain, and giving the conscious mind the ability to write something down. It's amazing. If you just had the list of nine and you went through and visualized them all in your head, another bunch would show up, so the same thing we're talking about.

Those to-dos are real. They've proven it, quantum physics. They've proven this stuff, and we can do this, and we need to do this for our own sanity so we can all get back to, hopefully, a calmer better and life. We'll have learned, maybe, we need to stop paying so much attention to the frustrations around the planet and pay more attention to the things that are beautiful, the things we have in common. That will help the heart chakra and our immune system as well. There's a lot to do folks, there's a lot to do. It's not like we got nothing.

I'm sitting here with the same fear as anybody else has. I tell people, “I will work on anybody who's been here having a session before because otherwise, I'm going to be overrun. If you're a client of mine and you get the virus, let me know or something else.” Because again. I am only one person, so, unfortunately, I have to set up boundaries. Maybe we can help you out and maybe we can teach you to help yourself out. I take time with you. With clients I've had, I don't charge for the time. I would never take advantage of the situation. I would never charge someone to work on the pandemic because that's completely immoral to me, but I will help anybody who I've worked with before.

Again, that's just a filter. It's not an elitist thing or anything else. It's just a filter, otherwise, I get overwhelmed, and I'll die. If you hear this, if you got a problem, I've worked with a number of your listeners. I am happy to help out if you think you've got a problem or you know you've got a problem—if it's the virus type of thing. If it's other things, you need to process and work on things, you need another appointment. Again, I'm not going to charge to send someone healing energy or healing vibrations to work on the virus.

Sometimes, I will work with people, and someone will be sick, and I'll say, “Look, I need other people around them. I need family around them.” I said, “Call me back when you have anyone around that's family or friends in the vicinity. If they got the coronavirus, they're obviously not going to be in the same room, but we want to meet at this and such time because we need to harness everybody's energy for this.” It really opens up all of their hearts and helps them all deal with this stuff, so that's why we do this sometimes.

Again, the more people, the more the intention. The more clarity, the more the person feels it, and feels held, and supported, which helps their immune system again, and opens up their heart chakra. We do different things for different people in different situations, or even the same situation will be different for different people. I've had someone with a child that was ill with it. I had the mom at a distance, because we're not doing anything in person, hold the child a certain way, and then we ran the energy through it. The mom could feel it. The child could calm down. Again, I can't make any claims here, but it goes away. It goes away. That's what we like. For whatever reason. That’s what we want. Anyway. I don't know where we go from here.

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[02:02:20] Ashley James: I think we can wrap it up.

[02:02:23] Eric Thorton: Okay. I really hope people can do this. I'm going to work on it every day at 9:00 PM. I'm going to spend about 10 minutes. I didn't mention the length of time on that. Maybe we should do that.

[02:02:43] Ashley James: Okay.

[02:02:44] Eric Thorton: I've asked everybody to, at 9:00 PM, the guides have said this to me. At 9:00 PM, your standard time, whatever time zone you're in, 10 minutes. Just like with this book, the Power of 8. Put the intention of scrambling the matrix so it can reset itself and heal itself so that it can help Gaia kill the virus.

[02:03:12] Ashley James: Because we're trying to override the amount of fear that has sickened the matrix, essentially.

[02:03:18] Eric Thorton: Correct, exactly. The fear is weak. You scramble it like a bacteria, it dies. Love is strong.

[02:03:28] Ashley James: So we're not going to love into it when we’re scrambling it? We're just scrambling it and letting Gaia reset it? This is what the guides have told you?

[02:03:38] Eric Thorton: The guides have said, “Let Gaia reset it.” No intention except to scramble it. No intention of putting healing in it, no intention of anything. God made this system for a reason, whatever you want to call God, and it works. Just like they showed me at 9/11, we can really mess things up because we think the universe needs us specifically and it doesn't. The universe—our planet—works very well without us. We die every hundred years or so, and it's amazing how the planet keeps going on without us in-between lives. It doesn't need us all to do this.

Sometimes we have to help the planet reset and set itself. Just put out the energy of scrambling the clouds maybe, if that's what your imagination needs. For 10 minutes at 9:00 PM your time zone. I'm just getting it and they’re giving me 10 days. Let's see what happens. See if there's enough energy here to harness it. See if we can get the coronavirus numbers to start going down throughout the whole planet. See if some of the tension and the disconnect that all of these countries have right now, see if some of that goes away too. See if some of our own anxiety drops when we do this.

I think it would be an amazing experiment, never done it before. I mean I helped yet the other day with it but never done anything like this before. I've never heard of anybody doing this, and this is what the guide said to do. Have your listeners pass it on to everybody. If the word could get out and everybody did this, I don't know how long until this is published, but if everybody did this, it'd be an amazing thing. Just the commonality would help heal everybody's heart chakra without even trying because of the commonality. We're the human race working together in every country of the world. That would be pretty amazing, and I could see, energetically, the power or something like that.

I'd like to see what would happen. That's just my opinion. It's an idea from the guides to do to suggest to everybody. I'd like to see it. I would be just as amazed as the next person.

[02:06:35] Ashley James: To wrap it up, I'd love to hear a bit more. Tell me what the guides have shown you when this is all over, that you said there's going to be peace and prosperity. Can you elaborate on that?

[02:06:48] Eric Thorton: Whenever the human body gets out of tension, we get the massive oxytocin. Say we're done with this in July, or June, or something like that, we still have the political problems, but the world has conquered then a major thing. There's a common humanity there. That alone is going to give us—even the political leaders—it's going to make them think again, “Oh my God. These people are all working together. We better be careful. We better do the right thing.” If we're all thinking similarly and we're all on the same thing, we all start to get back to work, and we can appreciate more than what we are having. When the appreciation goes up, the heart center vibration goes up, and everything starts to prosper more.

When we're in fear, we're in cortisol. In those types of hormones we make wrong decisions, or misinformed decisions, or decisions we filled in the blanks on as we've talked about. When we come through a stressful situation, there's a period of aura, of release, of—what's it called when you've had a lot of tension—even afterglow, I guess you might call it. There is, there's that afterglow that comes, and it lasts for quite a while. There can be a lot of prosperity, and it'll have nothing to do with our politicians that are currently running the planet. That will only have to do with one human being helping another. That is prosperity. People feel that euphoria, and they feel free, and they start moving, and shaking, and having excitement, and ideas start to flow when this type of thing, tension ends.

That's why there is always a period of prosperity after any worldwide problem. That includes wars as well as pandemics and whatever else people can think of. Just hope we won’t screw up humanity. There's always a period of euphoria afterward. If we pay attention to the politicians, they're trying to get it back to the way that they have it. Where if we pay attention to what our cells, and our love, and we keep the love going, then we're going to create a new political environment as well because they're not going to fit it anymore. They're not going to fit the matrix if we scrambled the matrix, for example. They will be voted out of office, and new people will come in. Good or bad, it'll be different. There will be prosperity. Anyway.

[02:10:11] Ashley James: I like it. I like it. I said in an earlier interview this week that this last few months and the next few months, from January 1, two quarters of 2020, is going to be studied for years to come. Because we now have the ability to have such a global response and global media with the internet, with social media, with the way we're interacting with each other, communicating with each other, and the way we're able to share studies, statistics. We're able to share things faster, get things done quicker. We'll see this and we also are experiencing this meme, the whole world.

I was just talking to a friend that lives in Mexico, and I asked him, “What's the climate like?” He's from Mexico. He's lives near Panama, and he's in an area I've never been to Mexico so I didn't know what it's like. What's the culture like down there? I said, “Yeah, what’s it like down there?” He described to a tea what Seattle's like. People are afraid. They're stuck in their homes. They're hoarding huge amounts of different kinds of things. He says, “No one's freaking about toilet paper, but everyone's buying up the Lysol. When you go to the store, you’re only allowed to buy one per person.” They're actually enforcing people stay indoors. There's great panic, fear, and hoarding of these items.

When he was describing what's going on down there, I was like, “Wow, that's exactly what's going on here in Seattle.” I just wonder how many other places in the world, how many other countries in the world are experiencing something very similar because we're able to share these experiences around the world. When we, as a globe, conquer this virus and get to go back to “normal,” that huge relief will feel like we won almost like when we won World War II.

Unfortunately, there was part of the world that didn't win, but this time, all the countries are fighting a war. That we all have a common enemy. We're going to have this huge relief. You're saying that your guides have showed you a world soon where we, as a global population, have a sigh of relief, and it's going to bring us into it a time of peace and prosperity. Hopefully, it'll allow us to really gain perspective because we're look back and reflect on what happened over the course of the last few months. We're going to see how our actions impacted the ecology of the planet. Hopefully, we could learn them.

[02:13:27] Eric Thorton: Hopefully, we can learn from it. This is the one thing I'm hesitant about. Mark this because I don't know if you're going to want to put this out there or not. The political system is trying to—they're saying, “Okay, we're going to send you something in the United States. We're going to send your money. We're going to take care of your business so you don't go out of business, so we can keep the economic system going, so we can keep what's going politically.” They want to hold their political power. They are afraid. You can see it in some of these, people I can see it. They are afraid that when this global unity comes together and this euphoria from conquering this as a planet, we're going to throw out these people that are based on fear. They want to control us with fear. They are afraid we are going to overrun them.

Frankly, it could happen because once people realize that this fear has contributed to this pandemic and this division within our own families, within our communities, within our state's in our countries, they're going to be thinking about this going, “This isn't how to solve the problem. The problem is to do it with love.” That to solve a problem we do it with love. We do it by supporting one another. I see this as if you look at the polling numbers, as the virus goes up, the popularity of the people in power is going down. In times of prosperity, the people that are in power, when it wasn't prosperous, are thrown out.

If you look at history, Winston Churchill was a hero during the war. Since the war was over, his point of views were based on fear. He was voted because the euphoria voted to be Prime Minister and then gone because his political points of view were no longer valid. All the politicians that are running the world right now realize that happened, and that didn't just happen to Winston Churchill, it happened all over the entire world after World War II. This is why the politicians are going, “We got to get back to work. We've got to get the country back to work.” Because they're afraid of exactly what we just talked about.

[02:16:39] Ashley James: Once we're out of fear will let turnaround and not resonate with these fear-based messages they're trying to sell us.

[02:16:47] Eric Thorton: Right. That's a huge thing. That's why you see the medical system arguing with the political system. The political system wants this, “No, no, no, no, no,” so people don't have time to deal with this. They want a solution, they want an immunization, so people can't solve it spiritually through love. They can keep controlling them. The medical system is going, “No, this is going to take months. The political system is going, “No, we got to be back on target by Easter.” It's like, “Well, okay.”

They want it on target by Easter so that they can maintain the control, the political control. Because the longer this goes and it's out of control of these people in politics, it makes them look really bad. People will look at that and they're going to change the regimes. Again, I don't know if you want this portion in there or not.

[02:18:07] Ashley James: Oh, yeah. That’s interesting. I think it's all very interesting. It gives us a good perspective, get the 30,000-foot view. We're going to pull out of this. We need to do our part now to rise above the fear, help our communities, help ourselves. Practice the social distancing so that we protect those who are vulnerable: the smokers, the people who are over 65, people who are nutrient-deficient, people are immune-compromised. They're going to be ones that are hit hard.

What's interesting—one of the things that one of my guests said earlier this week is—they need us to self-quarantine as much as possible so that they can catch up and have enough ventilators. Most of the population will be asymptomatic, but the percentage of people—and they keep throwing around numbers, we don't know the accuracy of them. 20% that end up in the hospital, 5% and up in ICU, and they still don't have enough ventilators. They're busy making them.

[02:19:26] Eric Thorton: Right, but that's what the numbers they have.

[02:19:27] Ashley James: Those are the numbers they have.

[02:19:28] Eric Thorton: One of the things I've seen with them dragging their feet with testing is if they tested everybody they could create a graph showing just how big this has become, and everybody would panic. When most of us don't have symptoms, and they won't be a problem, but we would still test positive. It creates even more panic.

[02:20:00] Ashley James: Right. Because the majority of people will be asymptomatic. There are also false positives. I've been looking at studies. That there's something like 9% of the coronavirus tests are false positives. Plus, they can't, they don't have the ability to test the whole population. Those are billions of people. We can't test everyone.

[02:20:30] Eric Thorton: It's not necessary, and it would panic everybody anyway because most people are going to be asymptomatic. If they find out everybody has it around them, everyone's going to be panicked even more, and then more people will get sick because it causes so much anxiety. I'm going, “Heck, if you don't have symptoms, don't be tested. Just stay away in case you have it, to social distance.

[02:20:58] Ashley James: Social distancing, focus on gratitude, focus on love. If you live in a household with other people and everyone's healthy in your household, do cuddling and hugging because that also increases the immune system. We need to protect the vulnerable in our population, and deliver them food, keep them safe. The doctor I interviewed said, “By July this will be gone because this virus—viruses in general—is very sensitive to heat. That's why in Hawaii, which they've shut down Hawaii. No tourism, they've shut it down. I just yesterday spoke with a woman, one of my guests who lives in Hawaii. She said you have to be under quarantine for 14 days before you're allowed to come to Hawaii, and you can't really do anything or go anywhere when you're in Hawaii now because it's shut down. There's a very low proliferation rate.

[02:21:56] Eric Thorton: Right. It doesn't like heat or humidity.

[02:21:59] Ashley James: It doesn’t like it. Whereas in Boston, they're getting more of a spread. Here it’s been very cold. It's been irregularly cold for this time of year for us in Seattle, and so it's spreading faster in the colder regions. If you're in Las Vegas, for example, you're always in AC. There are places where you think it's warm, but everyone's always in buildings spreading the virus with each other. Get out in the heat. When it heats up in the summertime, it's going to die down. This is something we need to tell help each other for the next few months. Get in gratitude and love.

[02:22:39] Eric Thorton: Right. If people go back to work too early, the way the politicians want it, it's just going to start another round of it. That's why the head of the CDC is telling our leaders, “Probably won't happen by Easter.” It's got to be long enough that we don't reinfect when we all go back to work. It may take a few payments from the government. Anyway. Set the intention for 9:00 PM your standard time, your specific time, and scramble the matrix, however, you can imagine it in your head. Do it for 10 minutes.

 [02:23:30] Ashley James: Ten minutes and then focus on love as much as possible throughout the day, gratitude, write down a list of everything you could do in your home that brings you joy, figure out how you can help your community, stay safe, and stay sane. Don't give in to the fear but give in to the love as much as possible. We will get through this. 

I love that the guides have told you, we are going to come into a time of prosperity and peace after this. I learned something from Tony Robbins several years ago that's really helped me in my life, and my husband as well. It's in times of desperation asking what's good about this. It's not to belittle it, you know what I mean?

Let's say I had cancer—knock-on-wood, thank God I don't. Let's say I had cancer, asking, “What's good about this?” is like, “What can I learn from this? How can I shift my mind from it?” This virus is like we're all affected by it in one way or another, but what is good about this?

[02:24:36] Eric Thorton: That brings in the whole brain's thinking power when you ask that question. It calms you down, it calms the conscious fears down. Soon as you ask a question like that, Tony Robbins understands how three-dimensional thinking works. He’s saying, “Get away from your fears.” He's got human problems like everybody else, okay, but he's right on this. If you bring in your imagination instead of sitting there trying to figure it out, you bring in just like what you said, all of a sudden you're thinking three-dimensionally, it calms you down, and brings up your immune system. 

He is correct, and that's beautiful. That's exactly right. There are a few other groups like Tony Robbins used to do, I don't know if he's still doing it, that promote the imagination. You get a full three-dimensional thinking process so you calm down. Do that. Do all the things that we just suggested. We're having this ride. You have a choice. You can either be angry, upset about it, or you can be neutral about it, or you can find everything positive you can. It's your choice.

That one second is going to go by and so is the next one, and so is the next one, and so is the next one, whether you choose A, B, or C. If you need help, don't be afraid to ask for help. If you see someone that needs help, help them. It heals the heart chakra, and it increases your immune system, drops all the cortisol, and all the things we've talked about.

We need to be kinder, we need to be softer, we need to step back from this machine that has been going on for three and a half years and go now. Sit back, launch it to the moon, and yeah, you need a little information, but you don't need to dwell in it. Anyway.

[02:27:21] Ashley James: Just to clarify with the practice of scrambling, what about people who are like Reiki masters who want to send healing love to the planet? Is that helpful? Because we're all adding our own intention, which is just making it worse.

[02:27:41] Eric Thorton: Right. What one person thinks is healing love is different than another person's because we're all different. Every one of us is a different frequency. We can't literally put out the same frequencies. We have to trust, have a little faith that the universe will work in spite of human interference, and if we can lessen the human interference. 

I've been shown this so many times like the story I told of 9/11. I've been showed it so many times that our egos prevent the universe, if you will, or work against preventing the universe from straightening itself out. It is designed to do that. The universe does not need me, it doesn't need you, it doesn't need any healer on this planet in any way shape or form in order to heal people.

We are points of contact between the angels—healers are points of contact between the angels, and guides, and humans, and other beings because we live in this realm, so we operate best in this realm. Like me, when I astral project somewhere, it takes me a while till someone can actually see me. It's worked for an angel to be in our realm so we can see it. It's harder for it to work, so they use healers all over the world basically as a fuse between that realm where they exist in the realm where we exist. If we let it work instead of thinking the almighty human is going to solve everything in the universe and God has to have us in order for the universe to heal.

If we stop that egoic thought, and we stop putting our own agenda to the energy we're putting out here is what they're asking us to do. Just a unified agenda of scrambling the matrix so it can reset itself, so that it can heal the virus, and the planet, and the people within it. Again, I've never heard this thought before. The guides just gave it to me.


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[2:30:14] Ashley James: Yeah, the guides just you, right?

[02:30:16] Eric Thorton: They told it to me. It was three days ago. I was just phenomenal. I was literally—what is it called—gob struck or something like that.

[02:30:27] Ashley James: Gobsmacked.

[02:30:28] Eric Thorton: I was like, “Oh my God.” I just went, “Oh my god. That's what you've been showing me over the years, but now you're putting it on a larger scale,” and they're going, “Yeah.”

[02:30:43] Ashley James: Cool. All right. Let's do it. Let's do it and see what happens.

[02:30:46] Eric Thorton: Let’s do it.

[02:30:47] Ashley James: Thank you so much, Eric. It's always a pleasure having you here.

[02:30:51] Eric Thorton: Thank you. Thank you.

[02:30:53] Ashley James: Yeah. Just getting out there. My show Learn True Health podcast focuses on health, but health is not just physical health, it's emotional, mental, spiritual, energetic, and its health of your whole life. I have had interviews with wonderful marriage counselors, with physical therapists, with Naturopathic doctors, with you. It’s encompassing everything to do without your whole life. 

Having you on the show, really, I was so worried that people would take it the wrong way, and instead, I had a flood of listeners saying that your interviews have been the missing key in their life. That your interviews have been so significant to make their life make sense. I definitely encourage listeners to go back.

[02:31:46] Eric Thorton: Thank you.

[02:31:47] Ashley James: You’re welcome. Go back and listen to my past interviews with Eric. You can go to ericthorton.com. It's Eric with a C, ericthorton.com. There's a tab or something that says interviews, and if you click there, you just get actually redirected back to my website, which shows you all of the interviews that we've done together. You can just search Eric Thorton on my website at learntruehealth.com, and it allows you to go back. 

Listen to the earlier ones, especially the first one. All of them are great, my favorite one though is when you share the story of your life. What a unique life you've lived. It’s very cool, but it gives us hope that there's more here than the mainstream wants us to focus on. This is a spiritual world, we are spiritual beings, and that we can use our intention, our attention, our focus, prayer, energy, thought. That we can use all of that to affect our health and the quality of our life.

[02:32:56] Eric Thorton: I want to say something to you too. Without you doing the interviewing, it wouldn't be here. You're doing a wonderful service to the world.

[02:33:06] Ashley James: Thank you.

[02:33:08] Eric Thorton: I think your listeners need to appreciate that too. They need to tell you that.

[02:33:13] Ashley James: I feel the appreciation. We just got to keep sharing it and getting it out there. Got to help as many people as we can.

[02:33:20] Eric Thorton: We're not perfect. People comment this, that, or the other. Nobody's perfect, but you know something? You're doing a service. I'm a part of it, and so are all the other people you're interviewing. It's a wonderful service and keep doing it. It’s great.

[02:33:41] Ashley James: Thank you. I'd really like to see this get as big as it can and help as many people as possible, so please share these interviews with those you love so we can help as many people as possible. For me, I want to see this take off. We are reaching thousands of people, and I want to reach hundreds of thousands of people so we could help more people. Because more people need to know this information that the body has an amazing ability to heal itself. That they can heal. They can use food as medicine, they can supplement, and fill in the gaps. That there are natural remedies out there that are even better than drugs.

[02:34:23] Eric Thorton: Yes.

[02:34:25] Ashley James: I've had listeners write to me and say, “I never knew what a Naturopath was, but now I'm seeing one because of your show.” I've had several emails over the last four years. I've been doing this podcast since 2016. I've had several emails say, “I was in pre-med to become an MD and I've switched. I'm now going to become a Naturopath. I never knew that Naturopathy was a choice, but I learned about it through your podcast.” That to me is such a big win that people are learning about chiropractors, about acupuncturists, about in Naturopaths, about osteopaths, about functional-based medicine. They didn't even know those tools were available to them.

[02:35:11] Eric Thorton: That's why I'm so glad you're doing this because it truly takes a village. It's not just a cliché statement. It truly does, and it takes a global village sometimes. Right now is one of those times. I hope you can get this podcast out real soon.

[02:35:35] Ashley James: I will, yeah. It’s going to be episode 422. I’ll get it out next week, so listeners who are listening know that it's really fresh. We'll get it out there. Thank you so much, Eric, for coming on the show. As always, it's a pleasure.

[02:35:49] Eric Thorton: Thank you. Thank you. It's been great.

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